Dialogue with Trypho 128.4

Summary: The Son is distinct in number from the Father, begotten without division, as fire from fire.

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Greek text · Archambault 2:258–260

Ἀλλʼ ὅτι μὲν οὖν εἰσὶν ἄγγελοι, καὶ ἀεὶ μένοντες καὶ μὴ ἀναλυόμενοι εἰς ἐκεῖνο ἐξ οὗπερ γεγόνασιν, ἀποδέδεικται· καὶ ὅτι δύναμις αὕτη, ἣν καὶ θεὸν καλεῖ ὁ προφητικὸς λόγος, ὡς διὰ πολλῶν ὡσαύτως ἀποδέδεικται, καὶ ἄγγελον, οὐχ ὡς τὸ τοῦ ἡλίου φῶς ὀνόματι μόνον ἀριθμεῖται, ἀλλὰ καὶ ἀριθμῷ ἕτερόν τί ἐστι, καὶ ἐν τοῖς προειρημένοις διὰ βραχέων τὸν λόγον ἐξήτασα, εἰπὼν τὴν δύναμιν ταύτην γεγεννῆσθαι ἀπὸ τοῦ πατρός, δυνάμει καὶ βουλῇ αὐτοῦ, ἀλλʼ οὐ κατὰ ἀποτομήν, ὡς ἀπομεριζομένης τῆς τοῦ πατρὸς οὐσίας, ὁποῖα τὰ ἄλλα πάντα μεριζόμενα καὶ τεμνόμενα οὐ τὰ αὐτά ἐστιν ἃ καὶ πρὶν τμηθῆναι· καὶ παραδείγματος χάριν παρειλήφειν ὡς τὰ ἀπὸ πυρὸς ἀναπτόμενα πυρὰ ἕτερα ὁρῶμεν, οὐδὲν ἐλαττουμένου ἐκείνου, ἐξ οὗ ἀναφθῆναι πολλὰ δύνανται, ἀλλὰ ταὐτοῦ μένοντος.

English · Claude translation

“But it has been proved that there are angels, who always remain and are not resolved into that from which they came into being; and that this power, which the prophetic word calls God, as has likewise been proved at length, and Angel, is not numbered in name only like the light of the sun, but is also something distinct in number; and I examined the matter briefly in what I said before, saying that this power was begotten from the Father, by his power and will, but not by cutting off, as though the Father's substance were divided, as all other things when divided and cut are not the same as before they were cut; and I took as an example the fires we see kindled from a fire, the one from which many can be kindled being in no way lessened, but remaining the same.

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Source
Archambault 2:258–260 · Georges Archambault, ed., Justin: Dialogue avec Tryphon, 2 vols., Textes et documents pour l'étude historique du christianisme 8, 11 (Paris: Picard, 1909) · Greek text: G. Archambault, Justin: Dialogue avec Tryphon (Paris, 1909), digitized by the Perseus Digital Library and published by the First Thousand Years of Greek project (Open Greek and Latin), CC BY-SA 4.0
Translation
Claude translation (claude-opus-5-5), 2026-09-26 · Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Archambault (1909); made independently of existing English translations.
Topics
Trinity, Christology

Notes

Translation notes

  • A key passage for pre-Nicene Trinitarian thought; compare ch. 61.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (digitization slip against Archambault's printed text (wrong accent); digitization slip against Archambault's printed text (wrong breathing)): ὅτι μὲν οὗν εἰσὶν → ὅτι μὲν οὖν εἰσὶν; τὰ ἅλλα πάντα → τὰ ἄλλα πάντα; ἐστιν ἅ καὶ πρὶν → ἐστιν ἃ καὶ πρὶν.

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Justin, Dial. 128.4 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/justin-dialogue/128/4/).

Plain text
Justin, Dial. 128.4 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/justin-dialogue/128/4/).

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