On the Trinity 15

Summary: Christ's sayings that he came from above, proceeded from God, gives immortality, existed before Abraham, and is one with the Father prove him God, yet the Son and not the Father.

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Latin text · PL 3:938b–942a

Si homo tantummodo Christus, quomodo ait: Etsi ego de me testificor, verum est testimonium meum, quia scio unde venerim et quo eam: vos ignoratis unde venerim aut quo eam: vos secundum carnem judicatis. Ecce et hic illuc se dicit rediturum, unde se testificatur ante venisse, missum scilicet de coelo. Descendit ergo unde venit, quomodo illuc vadit unde descendit. Ex quo, si homo tantummodo Christus esset, non inde venisset; atque ideo nec illuc abiret, quoniam non inde venisset. Veniendo autem inde, unde homo venire non potest, Deum se ostendit venisse. Sed enim hujus ipsius descensionis ignari et imperiti Judaei, haeredes sibi haereticos istos reddiderunt, quibus dicitur: Vos ignoratis unde veniam, et quo eam: vos secundum carnem judicatis. Tam isti quam Judaei carnalem solam esse Christi nativitatem tenentes, nihil aliud Christum esse quam hominem crediderunt, non considerantes illud, quoniam cum de coelo homo non potuerit venire, ut merito illuc posset redire, Deum esse qui inde descenderit, unde homo venire non potuerit. Si homo tantummodo Christus, quomodo dicit: Vos ex inferioribus estis, ego desursum sum; vos de hoc mundo estis, ego non sum de hoc mundo? Ideo autem si omnis homo ex hoc mundo est, et ideo in hoc mundo est Christus, an homo tantummodo est? Absit. Sed considera quod ait: Ego non sum de hoc mundo. Numquid ergo mentitur, cum ex hoc mundo ait, si homo tantummodo sit? Aut si non mentitur, non est ex hoc mundo. Non ergo homo tantummodo est, quia ex hoc mundo non est. Sed ne lateret quis esset, expressit unde esset: Ego, inquit, desursum sum; hoc est, de coelo, unde homo venire non potest; non enim in coelo factus est. Deus est ergo qui desursum est, et idcirco de hoc mundo non est: quanquam etiam quodammodo ex hoc mundo est; unde non Deus tantum est Christus, sed et homo. Ut merito, quomodo non est ex hoc mundo secundum Verbi divinitatem, ita ex hoc mundo sit secundum suscepti corporis fragilitatem: Homo est enim cum Deo junctus, et Deus cum homine copulatus. Sed idcirco nunc hic Christus in unam partem solius divinitatis incubuit, quoniam caecitas Judaica solam in Christo partem carnis aspexit, et inde in praesenti loco, silentio praeterita corporis fragilitate quae de mundo est, de sua sola divinitate locutus est quae de mundo non est: ut in quantum illi inclinaverant, ut hominem illum tantummodo crederent, in tantum illos Christus posset ad divinitatem suam considerandam trahere, ut se Deum crederent; volens illorum incredulitatem circa divinitatem suam, omissa interim commemoratione sortis humanae, solius divinitatis oppositione superare. Si homo tantummodo Christus, quomodo dicit: Ego ex Deo prodii et veni, cum constet hominem a Deo factum esse, non ex Deo processisse? ex Deo autem homo quomodo non processit, sic Dei Verbum processit; de quo dictum est: Eructavit cor meum Verbum bonum. Quod quoniam ex Deo est, merito et apud Deum est. Quodque, quia non otiose prolatum est, merito omnia facit. Omnia enim per ipsum facta sunt, et sine ipso factum est nihil. Sed enim hoc Verbum per quod facta sunt omnia [Deus est]. Et Deus, inquit, erat Verbum. Deus ergo processit ex Deo, dum qui processit Sermo, Deus est qui processit ex Deo. Si homo tantummodo Christus, quomodo ait: Si quis verbum meum servaverit, mortem non videbit in aeternum? Mortem in aeternum non videre, quid aliud quam immortalitas est? Immortalitas autem divinitati socia est, quia et Divinitas immortalis est, et immortalitas divinitatis fructus est. Sed enim omnis homo mortalis est; immortalitas autem ex mortali non potest esse. Ergo ex Christo homine mortali immortalitas non potest nasci. Sed Qui verbum custodierit, inquit, meum, mortem non videbit in aeternum. Ergo verbum Christi praestat immortalitatem, et per immortalitatem divinitatem. Quod si non potest exhibere, ut immortalem alterum faciat ipse mortalis, hoc autem Christi verbum exhibet pariter et praestat immortalitatem: non utique homo tantum est, qui praestat immortalitatem; quam, si tantummodo homo esset, praestare non posset: praestando autem divinitatem per immortalitatem, Deum se probat divinitatem porrigendo, quam nisi Deus esset, praestare non posset. Si homo tantummodo Christus, quomodo inquit: Ante Abraham ego sum? Nemo enim hominum ante eum potest esse ex quo ipse est; nec potest fieri ut quisquam prius fuerit ante illum ex quo ipse originem sumpsit. Sed enim Christus, cum ex Abraham sit, ante Abraham esse se dicit. Aut mentitur igitur et fallit si ante Abraham non fuit, qui ex Abraham fuit: aut non fallit si etiam Deus est, dum ante Abraham fuit. Quod nisi fuisset, consequenter cum ex Abraham fuisset, ante Abraham esse non posset. Si homo tantummodo Christus, quomodo ait: Et ego agnosco eas et sequuntur me meae; et ego vitam aeternam do illis; et nunquam peribunt in perpetuum? Sed enim cum omnis homo mortalitatis sit legibus alligatus, et idcirco in perpetuum se ipse servare non possit, multo magis in perpetuum alterum servare non poterit. At in perpetuum se Christus repromittit salutem daturum; quam si non dat, mendax est: si dat, Deus est. Sed non fallit: dat enim quod repromittit: Deus est ergo, qui salutem perpetuam porrigit; quam homo, qui se ipsum servare non potest, alteri praestare non poterit. Si homo tantummodo Christus, quid est, quod ait: Ego et Pater unum sumus? Quomodo enim Ego et Pater unum sumus, si non et Deus est et Filius? qui idcirco unum potest dici dum ex ipso est, et dum Filius ejus est, et dum ex ipso nascitur, dum ex ipso processisse reperitur, per quod et Deus est. Quod cum invidiosum Judaei putassent, et blasphemum credidissent, eo quod se ostenderat his sermonibus Christum esse Deum, ac propterea ad lapides concurrissent, et saxorum ictus injicere gestiissent; exemplo et testimonio Scripturarum adversarios suos fortiter refutavit. Si illos, inquit, dixit deos ad quos Dei verba facta sunt et non potest solvi Scriptura; quem Pater sancti sanctificavit et misit in hunc mundum, vos dicitis, quia blasphemas, quia dixi, Filius Dei sum ego. Quibus vocibus neque se negavit Deum, quin imo Deum se esse firmavit. Nam quia sine dubitatione dii esse dicuntur, ad quos verba Dei facta sunt, multo magis hic Deus, qui melior illis omnibus invenitur. Et nihilominus calumniosam blasphemiam dispositione legitima congruenter refutavit: Deum enim se sic intelligi vult, ut Filium Dei, et non ipsum Patrem vellet intelligi. Missum enim se esse dixit, et multa opera se ex Patre ostendisse monstravit; ex quo non Patrem se, sed Filium esse intelligi voluit; et in ultima parte defensionis Filii, non Patris, fecit mentionem dicendo: Vos dicitis, quia blasphemas, quia dixi: Filius Dei sum. Ita quod ad crimen blasphemiae pertinet, Filium se, non Patrem dicit: quod autem ad divinitatem spectet ipsius, Ego et Pater unum sumus dicendo, Filium se esse et Deum probavit: Deus est ergo: Deus autem sic, ut Filius sit, non Pater.

English · Claude translation

If Christ is only man, how does he say: “Even if I testify about myself, my testimony is true, because I know where I have come from and where I am going; you do not know where I have come from or where I am going; you judge according to the flesh”? See, here too he says that he will return to the place from which he testifies that he came before, sent, that is, from heaven. He came down, then, from where he came, just as he goes to the place from which he came down. Hence, if Christ were only man, he would not have come from there, and therefore would not be going away there either, since he would not have come from there. But by coming from where man cannot come, he showed that he had come as God. But the Jews, ignorant and unskilled regarding this very descent, have made these heretics their heirs, to whom it is said, “You do not know where I come from and where I am going; you judge according to the flesh.” These men, like the Jews, holding that Christ's birth was only fleshly, have believed Christ to be nothing other than a man, not considering this: that since man could not come from heaven so as rightly to be able to return there, he who came down from where man could not come is God.

If Christ is only man, how does he say, “You are from below, I am from above; you are of this world, I am not of this world”? Now if every man is from this world, and Christ is therefore in this world, is he then only man? Far from it. But consider what he says: “I am not of this world.” Does he then lie when he says he is not of this world, if he is only man? Or if he does not lie, he is not of this world. He is not, then, only man, since he is not of this world. But lest it should be hidden who he was, he declared where he was from: “I,” he says, “am from above”; that is, from heaven, from where man cannot come, for he was not made in heaven. He who is from above, then, is God, and therefore is not of this world; although in a certain way he is also of this world, and so Christ is not only God, but also man. So that rightly, just as he is not of this world according to the divinity of the Word, so he is of this world according to the frailty of the body he took up: for he is man joined with God, and God united with man. But Christ here leaned now to one side, that of his divinity alone, because Jewish blindness looked only at the fleshly side in Christ; and so in the present passage, passing over in silence the frailty of the body, which is of the world, he spoke only of his divinity, which is not of the world: so that, as far as they had leaned toward believing him only a man, so far Christ might draw them to consider his divinity, that they might believe him God; wishing, leaving aside for the moment any mention of his human lot, to overcome their unbelief about his divinity by setting his divinity alone against it.

If Christ is only man, how does he say, “I came forth from God and have come”, when it is agreed that man was made by God, not that he proceeded from God? But as man did not proceed from God, so the Word of God did proceed, of whom it was said, “My heart has uttered a good Word.” And since it is from God, rightly it is also with God. And since it was not uttered to no purpose, rightly it makes all things. “For all things were made through him, and without him nothing was made.” But this Word, through whom all things were made, [is God]. “And the Word,” it says, “was God.” God, then, proceeded from God, since the Word who proceeded is God who proceeded from God. If Christ is only man, how does he say, “If anyone keeps my word, he will not see death forever”? What else is not seeing death forever than immortality? And immortality is the companion of divinity, because divinity is immortal and immortality is the fruit of divinity. But every man is mortal, and immortality cannot come from what is mortal. Therefore immortality cannot be born from Christ, if he is a mortal man. But “Whoever keeps my word,” he says, “will not see death forever.” Therefore the word of Christ grants immortality, and through immortality divinity. And if one who is himself mortal cannot make another immortal, but this word of Christ both shows and grants immortality, then surely he who grants immortality is not only man, for if he were only man he could not grant it; but by granting divinity through immortality, he proves himself God by offering divinity, which he could not grant unless he were God.

If Christ is only man, how does he say, “Before Abraham I am”? For no man can exist before him from whom he himself comes; nor can it be that anyone existed before him from whom he took his origin. But Christ, though he is from Abraham, says that he is before Abraham. Either, then, he lies and deceives, if he who was from Abraham did not exist before Abraham; or he does not deceive, if he is also God, since he existed before Abraham. And had he not been so, then, since he was from Abraham, he could not have been before Abraham. If Christ is only man, how does he say, “And I know them, and my own follow me; and I give them eternal life, and they will never perish forever”? But since every man is bound by the laws of mortality, and therefore cannot preserve himself forever, much less will he be able to preserve another forever. Yet Christ promises that he will give salvation forever; if he does not give it, he is a liar; if he gives it, he is God. But he does not deceive, for he gives what he promises. He is God, then, who offers everlasting salvation, which a man, who cannot preserve himself, will not be able to grant to another.

If Christ is only man, what does he mean by saying, “I and the Father are one”? For how are “I and the Father one”, unless he is both God and the Son? He can be called one with him because he is from him, and because he is his Son, and because he is born from him, since he is found to have proceeded from him, by which he is also God. When the Jews thought this offensive and believed it blasphemous, because by these words he had shown that he, Christ, was God, and therefore had run together for stones and were eager to hurl blows of rocks at him, he boldly refuted his opponents by the example and testimony of the Scriptures. “If,” he says, “he called them gods to whom the words of God came, and the Scripture cannot be broken, do you say of him whom the Father sanctified and sent into this world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?” By these words he did not deny that he was God; on the contrary, he affirmed that he was God. For since those to whom the words of God came are without doubt said to be gods, much more is he God who is found better than all of them. And nonetheless he fittingly refuted the slanderous charge of blasphemy by a lawful distinction: for he wished to be understood as God in such a way that he would be understood as the Son of God, and not the Father himself. For he said that he had been sent, and showed that he had displayed many works from the Father; by which he wished to be understood not as the Father but as the Son; and in the last part of his defense he made mention of the Son, not the Father, saying, “You say, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God.’” So as far as the charge of blasphemy is concerned, he says he is the Son, not the Father; but as far as concerns his divinity, by saying, “I and the Father are one”, he proved himself to be the Son and God. He is God, then; but God in such a way that he is the Son, not the Father.

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Source
PL 3:938b–942a · J.-P. Migne, ed., Patrologiae cursus completus, Series Latina 3 (Paris: Migne, 1865 printing), cols. 913–982 · Latin text: J.-P. Migne, Patrologia Latina 3, digitized by Open Greek and Latin, University of Leipzig (patrologia_latina-dev), CC BY-SA 4.0
Text
As printed in PL 3. Manuscript variants and the editor's apparatus are not reproduced; no textual problem is noted in this passage.
Translation
Claude translation (claude-opus-5-5), 2026-09-27 · Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Migne, PL 3 (1865 printing), corrected where the digitization is faulty; made independently of existing English translations.
Compare
Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 5 (1886) (an older public-domain English translation, whole volume at CCEL; checked against ours only after ours was made)
Scripture
Topics
Christology, Trinity, Heresy

Notes

Translation notes

  • The quotations are John 8:14–15; John 8:23; John 8:42 (cf. 16:28); Ps 45:1 (44:2 Vulg.); John 1:1–3; John 8:51; John 8:58; John 10:27–28; John 10:30; John 10:34–36 (citing Ps 82:6). “[Is God]” is in brackets in the edition, which supplies the words. “Whom the Father sanctified” renders “quem Pater sancti sanctificavit”, where “sancti” appears to be a dittography. Against the adoptionists and against Sabellius together, Novatian insists that Christ is God, but God as Son, not as the Father.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (Migne's inline Scripture reference; OCR: P for D; OCR: a for u; OCR: b for h; OCR: i for l; OCR: l for t; OCR: letter lost; OCR: period for comma; OCR: uncertain character; OCR: words run together; stray period): redituram → rediturum; judicatis (Ibid.). → judicatis.; hocmundo. Numquidergo → hoc mundo. Numquid ergo; ilii inclinaverant → illi inclinaverant; quon(??)am → quoniam; divin tatem → divinitatem; ex Abrabam fuisset → ex Abraham fuisset; a(??)ternam → aeternam; Peus est ergo → Deus est ergo; inlelligi vult → intelligi vult; vellet inlelligi → vellet intelligi; non Patrem se. sed → non Patrem se, sed; defensionis. Filii → defensionis Filii; pertinet. Filium → pertinet, Filium; ipsius. Ego → ipsius, Ego; sit. non Pater → sit, non Pater.

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Novatian, Trin. 15 (PL 3:938b–942a; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/novatian-trinitate/15/).

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Novatian, Trin. 15 (PL 3:938b–942a; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/novatian-trinitate/15/).

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