Against Celsus 1.19

Summary: Celsus implies the world is eternal with repeated floods and fires, but gives no proof; Moses, inspired by God's Spirit, deserves more trust than Plato.

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Greek text · Koetschau 1:70–71

Ἑξῆς τούτοις ὁ Κέλσος λεληθότως βουλόμενος διαβαλεῖν τὴν κατὰ Μωϋσέα κοσμοποιΐαν, ἐμφαίνοντα μηδέπω μυρίων ἐτῶν ἀριθμὸν ἔχειν τὸν κόσμον ἀλλὰ πολλῷ τούτου λειπόμενον, προστίθεται κλέπτων αὐτοῦ τὸ βούλημα τοῖς λέγουσιν ἀγένητον εἶναι τὸν κόσμον. τὸ γὰρ πολλὰς ἐκ παντὸς αἰῶνος ἐκπυρώσεις γεγονέναι πολλὰς δʼ ἐπικλύσεις καὶ νεώτερον εἶναι τὸν ἐπὶ Δευκαλίωνος κατακλυσμὸν ἔναγχος γεγενημένον σαφῶς τοῖς ἀκούειν αὐτοῦ δυναμένοις παρίστησι τὸ κατʼ αὐτὸν τοῦ κόσμου ἀγένητον. λεγέτω δὴ ἡμῖν ὁ τῇ πίστει Χριστιανῶν ἐγκαλῶν, ποίοις ἀποδεικτικοῖς λόγοις ἠναγκάσθη παραδέξασθαι πολλὰς γεγονέναι ἐκπυρώσεις καὶ πολλοὺς κατακλυσμοὺς, πάντων δὲ νεώτερον εἶναι κατακλυσμὸν μὲν τὸν ἐπὶ Δευκαλίωνος ἐκπύρωσιν δὲ τὴν ἐπὶ Φαέθοντος. ἀλλʼ ἐὰν προβάλληται τοὺς Πλάτωνος περὶ τούτων διαλόγους, φήσομεν αὐτῷ καὶ ἡμῖν ἐξεῖναι πιστεύειν ἐν καθαρᾷ καὶ εὐσεβεῖ ψυχῇ Μωϋσέως, πᾶν γενητὸν ὑπεραναβάντος καὶ τοῦ δημιουργοῦ τῶν ὅλων ἑαυτὸν ἐξαρτήσαντος. ἐμπεπολιτεῦσθαι πνεῦμα θεῖον. πολλῷ ἐναργέστερον Πλάτωνος καὶ τῶν παρʼ Ἕλλησι καὶ παρὰ βαρβάροις σοφῶν τὰ (τοῦ) θεοῦ παραστήσαντος. εἰ δʼ ἀπαιτεῖ ἡμᾶς λόγους τῆς τοιαύτης πίστεως, διδότω πρότερος περὶ ὧν αὐτὸς ἀναποδείκτως ἀπεφήνατο, καὶ ἑξῆς κατασκευάσομεν τὰ ἡμέτερα ταῦθʼ οὕτως ἔχειν.

English · Claude translation

After this Celsus, secretly wishing to slander the account of the making of the world according to Moses, which shows that the world is not yet ten thousand years old but much short of that, sides with those who say that the world is uncreated, while concealing his intention. For in saying that there have been many conflagrations from all eternity and many floods, and that the flood in the time of Deucalion is the more recent, having happened lately, he clearly shows those able to understand him that in his view the world is uncreated. Let the one who finds fault with the faith of Christians tell us by what demonstrative arguments he was compelled to accept that there have been many conflagrations and many floods, and that the most recent of all are the flood in the time of Deucalion and the conflagration in the time of Phaethon. But if he puts forward Plato's dialogues on these matters, we will tell him that we too may believe that in the pure and devout soul of Moses—who rose above everything created and attached himself to the maker of the universe—a divine spirit dwelt, which set forth the things of God far more clearly than Plato and the wise men among Greeks and barbarians. And if he demands of us reasons for such a faith, let him first give reasons for what he himself asserted without proof, and then we will establish that our views are so.

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Source
Koetschau 1:70–71 · Paul Koetschau, ed., Origenes Werke 1–2: Gegen Celsus, GCS 2–3 (Leipzig: Hinrichs, 1899) · Greek text: P. Koetschau, Origenes Werke 1–2 (GCS 2–3, 1899), digitized by the Perseus Digital Library and published by the First Thousand Years of Greek project (Open Greek and Latin), CC BY-SA 4.0
Text
As printed in Koetschau, GCS 2–3. Manuscript variants and the editor's apparatus are not reproduced; no textual problem is noted in this passage.
Translation
Claude translation (claude-opus-5-5), 2026-09-27 · Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Koetschau, GCS 2–3; made independently of existing English translations.
Compare
Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 4 (1885) (an older public-domain English translation, whole volume at CCEL; checked against ours only after ours was made)
Extrabiblical texts
  • Plato, Tim. 22c–23b (Plato (works)) · allusion, high confidence
Topics
Scripture and canon

Notes

Translation notes

  • The conflagrations and floods, with Deucalion and Phaethon, are from Plato, Timaeus 22c–23b.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (repeated syllable in the digital text): ἀποδεικτικοῖς κοῖς → ἀποδεικτικοῖς.

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Origen, Cels. 1.19 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/1/19/).

Plain text
Origen, Cels. 1.19 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/1/19/).

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