Against Celsus 6.9
Summary: Origen compares Plato's five steps to knowledge (name, definition, image, knowledge, the thing itself) with John the Baptist, Christ the Word, Christ formed in the soul, and Christ as wisdom.
Greek text · Koetschau 2:79
Καὶ ἄλλην δὲ τοῦ Πλάτωνος λέξιν ἐκτίθεται ὁ Κέλσος οὕτως ἔχουσαν· „ἔτι δὲ μακρότερα περὶ αὐτῶν ἐν νῷ μοι γέγονεν εἰπεῖν· τάχα γὰρ ἂν ὧν πέρι λέγω σαφέστερον ἂν εἴη τι λεχθέντων αὐτῶν· ἔστι γάρ τις λόγος ἀληθὴς, ἐναντίος τῷ τολμήσαντι γράφειν τῶν τοιούτων (καὶ) ὁτιοῦν, πολλάκις μὲν ὑπʼ ἐμοῦ καὶ πρότερον λεχθεὶς, ἔοικε δʼ οὖν εἶναι καὶ νῦν λεκτέος. ἔστι τῶν ὄντων ἑκάστῳ, διʼ ὧν τὴν ἐπιστήμην ἀνάγκη παραγίνεσθαι, τρία, τέταρτον δὲ αὕτη, πέμπτον δὲ αὐτὸ τιθέναι δεῖ, ὅ δὴ γνωστόν τε καὶ ἀληθές ἐστιν· ὧν ἓν μὲν ὄνομα, δεύτερον δὲ λόγος, τὸ δὲ τρίτον εἴδωλον, τὸ τέταρτον δὲ ἐπιστήμη.“ καὶ κατὰ ταῦτα δὲ εἴποιμεν ἂν ὅτι „φωνὴ μὲν βοῶντος ἐν τῇ ἐρήμῳ“ εἰσῆκται ὁ Ἰωάννης πρὸ τοῦ Ἰησοῦ ἀνάλογον τῷ παρὰ Πλάτωνι ὀνόματι, δεύτερος δὲ μετὰ τὸν Ἰωάννην δεικνύμενος ὑπʼ αὐτοῦ ὁ Ἰησοῦς, ᾧ ἐφαρμόζει τὸ „ὁ λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο“, ἀνάλογον ὂν τῷ παρὰ Πλάτωνι λόγῳ. Πλάτων μὲν οὖν τὸ τρίτον φησὶν εἴδωλον. ἡμεῖς δὲ τὸ ὄνομα τοῦ εἰδώλου ἐπʼ ἄλλου τάττοντες τρανότερον φήσομεν ἐν τῇ ψυχῇ γινόμενον μετὰ τὸν λόγον τῶν τραυμάτων τύπον, τοῦτον εἶναι τὸν ἐν ἑκάστῳ Χριστὸν ἀπὸ Χριστοῦ λόγου. εἰ δὲ καὶ ἀνάλογόν ἐστι τῷ τετάρτῳ ὄντι ἐπιστήμη ἡ „ἐν τοῖς“ καθʼ ἡμᾶς „τελείοις“ σοφία ὁ Χριστὸς, ἐπιστήσει ὁ δυνάμενος.
English · Claude translation
Celsus also sets out another passage of Plato which runs thus: “I have it in mind to speak about these things at still greater length; for perhaps what I am saying would be clearer if this were said. There is a true argument that stands against anyone who dares to write anything at all about such matters, an argument I have often stated before, but it seems that it must be stated now too. For each of the things that exist there are three things through which knowledge must come; knowledge itself is the fourth; and as fifth one must posit the thing itself, which is knowable and truly real. Of these, one is the name, the second the definition, the third the image, and the fourth knowledge.” Along these lines we might say that John, “the voice of one crying in the wilderness,” was brought in before Jesus as the counterpart of Plato's name; and second, after John and pointed out by him, is Jesus, to whom applies “The Word became flesh,” being the counterpart of Plato's definition (logos). Plato says the third is the image. But we, assigning the term image to something else, will say more clearly that the imprint of the wounds which comes to be in the soul after the Word, that is, the Christ in each person that comes from Christ the Word, is the third. And whether Christ, the wisdom “among” our “perfect,” is the counterpart of the fourth, which is knowledge, anyone who is able will consider.
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- Celsus quotes Plato, Letter 7, 342a–b. The biblical passages are Isa 40:3 (John 1:23), John 1:14, and 1 Cor 2:6. Origen plays on λόγος, Plato's “definition” and Christ the Word. “The imprint of the wounds” (τῶν τραυμάτων τύπον) is obscure; it may refer to the marks of Christ's passion formed in the believer (cf. Gal 6:17), or the text may be faulty.
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Origen, Cels. 6.9 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/6/9/).
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Origen, Cels. 6.9 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/6/9/).
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