Against Celsus 8.24
Summary: Celsus says that eating sacrificial meat is harmless or that demons belong to God and should be honoured; Origen answers from 1 Corinthians that eating idol offerings harms weaker brothers and that one cannot share both the Lord's table and the table of demons.
Greek text · Koetschau 2:240–241
Ἴδωμεν δὲ οἷς χρῆται ὁ Κέλσος λόγοις, προτρέπων ἡμᾶς ἐπὶ τὴν χρῆσιν τῶν εἰδωλοθύτων καὶ τὰς δημοτελεῖς ἐν δημοτελέσιν ἑορταῖς θυσίας. ἃ δὲ λέγει τοιαῦτά ἐστιν· εἰ μὲν οὐδὲν ταῦτά ἐστι τὰ εἴδωλα, τί δεινὸν κοινωνῆσαι τῆς πανθοινίας; εἰ δʼ εἰσί τινες δαίμονες. δηλονότι καὶ οὗτοι τοῦ θεοῦ εἰσιν, οἷς καὶ πιστευτέον καὶ καλλιερητέον κατὰ νόμους καὶ προσευκτέον, ἵνʼ εὐμενεῖς ὦσι. χρήσιμον δʼ εἰς ταῦτα ὅλον τὸν περὶ „εἰδωλοθύτων“ λόγον, εἰρημένον παρὰ τῷ Παύλῳ ἐν τῇ προτέρᾳ πρὸς Κορινθίους ἐπιστολῇ, λαβεῖν εἰς χεῖρας καὶ σαφηνίσαι· ἐν ᾧ καὶ πρὸς τὸ μηδὲν εἶναι „εἴδωλον ἐν κόσμῳ“ ἀπαντῶν τὴν ἀπὸ τοῦ χρῆσθαι τοῖς εἰδωλοθύτοις βλάβην κατεσκεύασεν, ἀποδεικνὺς τοῖς ἀκούειν τῶν ἐκεῖ δυναμένοις ὅτι πάντως οὐ φονέως χεῖρόν τι πράττει ὁ τῶν εἰδωλοθύτων μεταλαμβάνων, ἀπολλὺς τοὺς αὑτοῦ ἀδελφοὺς. διʼ οὓς „Χριστὸς ἀπέθανε.“ καὶ μετὰ τοῦτο τιθεὶς δαιμονίοις θύεσθαι τὰ θυόμενα. παρίστησι „κοινωνοὺς τῶν δαιμονίων γίνεσθαι“ τοὺς μεταλαμβάνοντας „δαιμονίων τραπέζης“· παρίστησί τε ὅτι ἀδύνατόν ἐστι τὸν αὐτὸν „τραπέζης κυρίου μετέχειν καὶ τραπέζης δαιμόνων.“ ἀλλʼ ἐπεὶ ὅλης συντάξεως χρῄζει διὰ πλειόνων ἀποδεικνυμένης ἡ περὶ τούτων εἰς τὴν πρὸς Κορινθίους ἐπιστολὴν διήγησις, ἀρκεσθησόμεθα καὶ τοῖς ἐπʼ ὀλίγον ἀποδεδομένοις· ἐν οἷς τῷ ἐξετάζοντι αὐτὰ φανεῖται ὅτι, κἂν μηδὲν ᾖ τὰ εἴδωλα, οὐδὲν ἧττον καὶ οὕτω δεινόν ἐστι τὸ κοινωνῆσαι τῆς τῶν εἰδώλων πανθοινίας. εἴρηται μὲν οὖν ἡμῖν μετρίως καὶ εἰς τὸ, κἂν ὦσί τινες δαίμονες, οἷς τὰ θυόμενα θύεται, μὴ δεῖν ἡμᾶς αὐτῶν μεταλαμβάνειν τοὺς ἐπισταμένους διαφορὰν „τραπέζης κυρίου“ καὶ „τραπέζης δαιμονίων“ καὶ διὰ τὸ ἐπίστασθαι πάντα μὲν πράττοντας. ἵνα „τραπέζης κυρίου“ ἀεὶ μετέχωμεν, παντὶ δὲ τρόπῳ φυλαττομένους, ἵνα μηδέ ποτε κοινωνοὶ „τραπέζης“ γενώμεθα τῶν „δαιμονίων.“
English · Claude translation
Let us see what arguments Celsus uses in urging us to partake of offerings to idols and of the public sacrifices at the public festivals. What he says is this: “If these idols are nothing, what harm is there in joining the general feast? And if there are some demons, clearly these too belong to God, and one must both trust them, and sacrifice to them according to the laws, and pray to them, so that they may be favourable.” For this it would be useful to take up and explain the whole discussion of “offerings to idols” in Paul's first letter to the Corinthians. There, answering the claim that “an idol is nothing in the world,” he established the harm that comes from eating offerings to idols, showing to those able to understand what is there that one who partakes of offerings to idols does nothing less evil than a murderer, since he destroys his brothers, for whom “Christ died.” And after this, laying down that what is sacrificed is sacrificed to demons, he shows that those who partake of “the table of demons” become “partners with demons”; and he shows that it is impossible for the same person “to partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons.” But since the explanation of these matters in the letter to the Corinthians requires a whole treatise with many proofs, we shall be content with what has been briefly set out; from which it will be clear to anyone who examines it that, even if the idols are nothing, it is none the less harmful to join the general feast of the idols. We have also said enough to show that, even if there are some demons to whom the sacrifices are offered, we must not partake of them, since we know the difference between “the table of the Lord” and “the table of demons”; and because we know it, we do everything so that we may always partake of “the table of the Lord,” and guard ourselves in every way so that we may never become partners in “the table” of “demons.”
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- The quotations are 1 Cor 8:4, 8:11, and 10:20–21.
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Origen, Cels. 8.24 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/8/24/).
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Origen, Cels. 8.24 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/8/24/).
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