Against Marcion 5.15

Summary: In 1 Thessalonians the Jews' guilt for killing both the prophets and the Lord, the call to holiness in marriage, the rapture to meet the Lord, the command not to quench the Spirit, and the prayer for spirit, soul, and body all fit only the Creator.

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Latin text · CSEL 47:627–629

Breuioribus quoque epistulis non pigebit intendere. est sapor et in paucis. occiderant Iudaei prophetas suos. possum dicere: quid ad apostolum dei alterius et quidem optimi, qui nec suorum delicta damnare dicatur quique et ipse prophetas eosdem destruendo quodammodo perimat? quid mali admisit apud illum Israhel, si occidit quos et ille reprobauit, si prior inimicam in eos sententiam statuit? deliquit autem apud deum ipsorum: is exprobrabit iniquitatem, ad quem pertinet laesus; certe quiuis alius quam aduersarius laesi. sed nec onerasset illos imputando etiam domini necem qui et dominum interfecerunt dicendo et prophetas suos, licet suos adiectio sit haeretici. quid enim tam acerbum, si alterius dei praedicatorem Christum interemerunt qui sui dei prophetas contrucidauerunt? status autem (est) exaggerationis, quod et dominum et famulos eius peremissent. denique si alterius dei Christum alterius prophetas peremerunt, aequauit impietatem, non exaggerauit. aequanda autem non fuit: ergo exaggerari non potuit, nisi in eundem deum commissa ex utroque titulo. ergo eiusdem dei Christus et prophetae. Quam autem sanctitatem nostram (uoluntatem dei dicat, ex contrariis, quae prohibet, agnoscere est — abstinere enim, inquit, a stupro, non a matrimonio; scire unumquemque uas suum in honore tractare. quomodo? dum non in libidine, qua gentes. libido autem nec apud gentes matrimonio adscribitur, sed extraordinariis et non naturalibus et portentosis luxuriae —: est turpitudini quaque et inmunditiae contraria, quae non matrimonium excludat, sed libidinem, quae uas nostrum in honore matrimonii tractet. hunc autem locum salua alterius, id est plenioris sanctitatis praelatione tractauerim, continentiam et uirginitatem nuptiis anteponens, sed non prohibitis. destructores enim dei nuptiarum, non sectatores castitatis retundo. Ait eos, qui remaneant in aduentum Christi cum eis, qui mortui in Christo primi resurgent, quod in nubibus auferentur in aerem obuiam domino. agnosco his iam tunc prospectis mirari substantias caelestes ipsam Hierusalem, quae sursum est, et per Esaiam pronuntiare: quinam huc uelut nubes uolant, tamquam columbae cum pullis ad me? hunc ascensum si Christus nobis praeparabit, ille erit Christus, de quo Osee: qui ascensum suum aedificat in caelos, utique sibi et suis. exinde a quo sperabo nunc, nisi a quo haec audiui? Quem spiritum prohibet extingui et quas prophetias uetat nihil haberi? utique non creatoris spiritum nec creatoris prophetias secundum Marcionem. quae enim destruit, ipse iam extinxit et nihil fecit, nec potest prohibere quae ipse fecit. ergo incumbit Marcioni exhibere hodie apud ecclesiam suam exinde spiritum dei sui, qui non sit extinguendus, et prophetias, quae non sint nihil habendae. et si exhibuit quod putat, sciat nos quodcumque illud ad formam spiritalis et propheticae gratiae atque uirtutis prouocaturos, ut et futura praenuntiet et occulta cordis reuelet et sacramenta edisserat. cum nihil tale protulerit ac probarit, nos proferemus et spiritum et prophetias creatoris secundum ipsum praedicantes. atque ita constabit apostolus de quibus dixerit, de eis scilicet, quae futura erant in ecclesia eius dei, qui dum est, spiritus quoque eius operatur et promissio celebratur. Age nunc, qui salutem carnis abnuitis et, si quando corpus in huiusmodi praenominatur, aliud nescio quid interpretamini illud quam substantiam carnis, quomodo apostolus omnes in nobis substantias certis nominibus distinxit et omnes in uno uoto constituit salutis, optans, ut spiritus noster et corpus et anima sine querela in aduentu domini et salutificatoris nostri Christi conseruentur? nam et animam posuit et corpus, tam duas res quam diuersas. licet enim et anima I et] corpus sit aliquod suae qualitatis, sicut et spiritus, cum tamen et corpus et anima distincte nominantur, habet <autem) anima suum uocabulum proprium, non egens communi uocabulo corporis, id relinquitur carni, quae non nominata proprio, communi utatur necesse est. etenim aliam substantiam in homine non uideo post spiritum et animam, cui uocabulum corporis accommodetur praeter carnem, hanc totiens in corporis nomine intellegens, quotiens non nominatur; multo magis hic, cum quae dicitur corpus suo nomine appellatur.

English · Claude translation

It will be no trouble to attend to the shorter letters too. There is flavour even in a little. The Jews had killed their own prophets. I can say: what has that to do with the apostle of another god, and the best god at that, who is said not to condemn even the sins of his own people, and who himself, by destroying those same prophets, in a way kills them? What wrong did Israel commit in his eyes if it killed those whom he too rejected, if it passed a hostile sentence on them before he did? But it sinned against its own God: he will reproach the iniquity to whom the injured party belongs; certainly anyone rather than the adversary of the injured. Nor would he have loaded them with the charge of the Lord's death too, saying that they killed both the Lord and their own prophets (although “their own” is the heretic's addition). For what would be so bitter in their having killed Christ, the preacher of another god, when they had slaughtered the prophets of their own God? But the point of the heightening is that they had killed both the Lord and his servants. In short, if they killed the Christ of one god and the prophets of another, he made the impiety equal; he did not heighten it. But it was not to be made equal; so it could not have been heightened unless both crimes were committed against the same God. So the Christ and the prophets belong to the same God. What sanctification of ours he calls “the will of God” may be recognized from the opposites which he forbids: “to abstain,” he says, from fornication, not from marriage; “that each should know how to possess his own vessel in honour.” How? “Not in lust, as the nations do.” But not even among the nations is lust ascribed to marriage, but to the extravagant, unnatural, and monstrous forms of self-indulgence. It is contrary to every kind of vileness and uncleanness; it does not exclude marriage but lust, and handles our vessel in the honour of marriage. I would treat this passage while keeping the preference for the other, that is, the fuller holiness, setting continence and virginity above marriage, yet without forbidding it. For I am beating back those who destroy the God of marriage, not those who pursue chastity. He says that those who remain until the coming of Christ, together with the dead in Christ, who will rise first, will be caught up in the clouds into the air to meet the Lord. I recognize that the heavenly beings, having already then foreseen these things, marvelled at the Jerusalem that is above itself, and declared through Isaiah: “Who are these who fly hither like clouds, like doves with their young, to me?” If Christ will prepare this ascent for us, he will be the Christ of whom Hosea speaks: “who builds his ascent into the heavens,” for himself, surely, and for his own. From whom, then, shall I now hope for it, if not from him from whom I heard these things? What Spirit does he forbid to be quenched, and what prophecies does he forbid to be despised? Surely not the Creator's Spirit nor the Creator's prophecies, in Marcion's view. For what he destroys he has himself already quenched and made nothing of, and he cannot forbid what he himself has done. So it falls to Marcion to produce today, in his own church, the Spirit of his god, which is not to be quenched, and prophecies which are not to be despised. And if he has produced what he thinks such, let him know that we will challenge whatever it is by the standard of spiritual and prophetic grace and power: that it foretell things to come, reveal the secrets of the heart, and expound mysteries. When he has brought forward and proved nothing of the kind, we will bring forward both the Spirit and the prophecies of the Creator, speaking according to his will. And so it will be clear what the apostle was speaking of: namely, of the things that were to be in the church of that God who, since he exists, also has his Spirit at work and his promise fulfilled. Come now, you who reject the salvation of the flesh, and, whenever the body is named in such a context, interpret it as some other thing, I know not what, rather than the substance of the flesh: how is it that the apostle distinguished all the substances in us by definite names and placed them all under one prayer for salvation, wishing that our “spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord and Saviour Christ”? For he named both soul and body, as two things and as different. For even if the soul too is a body of some quality of its own, as the spirit also is, still, since body and soul are named separately, the soul has its own proper name and does not need the common word “body”; that is left to the flesh, which, not being named by its own name, must use the common one. And indeed I see no other substance in man, after the spirit and the soul, to which the word “body” can be applied, except the flesh; and I understand the flesh under the name “body” whenever it is not named, much more here, when what is called the body is called by its own name.

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Source
CSEL 47:627–629 · Emil Kroymann, ed., Quinti Septimi Florentis Tertulliani Opera, Pars 3, CSEL 47 (Vienna: Tempsky; Leipzig: Freytag, 1906), 290–650 · Latin text: Emil Kroymann (CSEL 47), digitized by Open Greek and Latin, University of Leipzig (csel-dev), CC BY-SA 4.0
Text
As printed in CSEL 47. Manuscript variants and the editor's apparatus are not reproduced; no textual problem is noted in this passage.
Translation
Claude translation (claude-opus-5-5), 2026-09-27 · Translated by Claude from the Latin text of CSEL 47; made independently of existing English translations.
Compare
Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 3 (1885) (an older public-domain English translation, whole volume at CCEL; checked against ours only after ours was made)
Scripture
Topics
Marriage, Eschatology, Heresy

Notes

Translation notes

  • The quotations are 1 Thess 2:15; 4:3–5, 14–17; 5:19–20, 23; Isa 60:8; Amos 9:6 (Tertullian cites it as Hosea; the Greek of Amos 9:6 speaks of him “who builds his ascent into heaven”); Gal 4:26. Tertullian says “their own” (prophets) in 1 Thess 2:15 is Marcion's addition. Marcion's rejection of marriage is in view; Tertullian's preference for continence reflects his own view, stated as written.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR misreading): extraordinarils → extraordinariis.

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Tertullian, Marc. 5.15 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/tertullian-marcionem/5/15/).

Plain text
Tertullian, Marc. 5.15 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/tertullian-marcionem/5/15/).

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