Octavius
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Chapter 1
1.1CSEL 2:3
Cogitanti mihi et cum animo meo Octaui boni et fidelissimi contubernalis memoriam recensenti tanta dulcedo et adfectio hominis inhaesit, ut ipse quodammodo mihi uiderer in praeterita redire, non ea quae iam transacta et decursa sunt, recordatione reuocare:
As I was thinking, and going over in my mind the memory of Octavius, my good and most faithful companion, such sweetness and affection for the man clung to me that I seemed somehow to be going back into the past myself, and not merely to be calling back by recollection things already done and gone:
1.2CSEL 2:3
ita eius contemplatio quantum subtracta est oculis, tantum pectori meo ac paene intimis sensibus inplicata est.
so much as the sight of him has been withdrawn from my eyes, so much has it been woven into my heart and almost into my inmost feelings.
1.3CSEL 2:3
nec inmerito decedens uir eximius et sanctus inmensum sui desiderium nobis reliquit, utpote cum et ipse tanto nostri semper amore flagrauerit, ut et in ludicris et seriis pari mecum uoluntate concineret eadem uelle uel nolle: crederes unam mentem in duobus fuisse diuisam.
And not without reason did that excellent and holy man, at his departure, leave us an immense longing for himself, since he himself always burned with such love for us that in play and in earnest alike he was in tune with me with an equal will, wanting and not wanting the same things: you would have thought that one mind had been divided between two.
1.4CSEL 2:3–4
sic solus in amoribus conscius, ipse socius in erroribus: et cum discussa caligine de tenebrarum profundo in lucem sapientiae et ueritatis emergerem, non respuit comitem, sed quod est gloriosius, praecucurrit.
So he alone was my confidant in my loves, my companion in my errors; and when, the mist dispelled, I was emerging from the depths of darkness into the light of wisdom and truth, he did not reject me as a companion, but, what is more glorious, he ran on ahead.
1.5CSEL 2:4
itaque cum per uniuersam conuictus nostri et familiaritatis aetatem mea cogitatio uolueretur, in illo praecipue sermone eius mentis meae resedit intentio, quo Caecilium superstitiosis uanitatibus etiamnunc inhaerentem disputatione grauissima ad ueram religionem reformauit.
And so, while my thoughts were ranging over the whole span of our life together and our friendship, the attention of my mind settled above all on that conversation of his in which, by a most weighty argument, he brought back to the true religion Caecilius, who was still clinging to superstitious vanities.
Chapter 2
2.1CSEL 2:4
Nam negotii et uisendi mei gratia Romam contenderat, relicta domo, coniuge, liberis, et quod est in liberis amabilius, adhuc annis innocentibus et adhuc dimidiata uerba temptantibus, loquellam ipso offensantis linguae fragmine dulciorem.
For he had hurried to Rome on business and to visit me, leaving his home, his wife, his children, and, what is most lovable in children, children still in their innocent years and still attempting half-formed words, a speech made sweeter by the very stumbling of the faltering tongue.
2.2CSEL 2:4
quo in aduentu eius non possum exprimere sermonibus, quanto quamque inpatienti gaudio exultauerim, cum augeret maxime laetitiam meam amicissimi hominis inopinata praesentia.
At his arrival I cannot express in words with how great and how uncontainable a joy I leapt up, since the unexpected presence of my dearest friend most greatly increased my happiness.
2.3CSEL 2:4
igitur post unum et alterum diem, cum iam et auiditatem desiderii frequens adsiduitatis usus implesset et quae per absentiam mutuam de nobis nesciebamus, relatione alterna comperissemus, placuit Ostiam petere, amoenissimam ciuitatem, quod esset corpori meo siccandis umoribus de marinis lauacris blanda et adposita curatio: sane et ad uindemiam feriae iudiciariam curam relaxauerant. nam id temporis post aestiuam diem in temperiem semet autumnitas dirigebat.
So after a day or two, when constant companionship had satisfied the eagerness of our longing, and by telling each other in turn we had learned what we did not know about each other through our separation, we decided to go to Ostia, a most delightful town, because sea bathing would be a pleasant and suitable treatment for my body in drying up its humours; and besides, the vintage holidays had released me from my cares in the courts. For at that time, after the summer days, autumn was turning toward milder weather.
2.4CSEL 2:4
itaque cum diluculo ad mare inambulando litore pergeremus, ut et aura adspirans leniter membra uegetaret et cum eximia uoluptate molli uestigio cedens harena subsideret, Caecilius simulacro Serapidis denotato, ut uulgus superstitiosus solet, manum ori admouens osculum labiis inpressit.
So when at daybreak we were walking along the shore toward the sea, so that the gently blowing breeze might refresh our limbs and the sand, yielding to our soft tread, might sink beneath us with exquisite pleasure, Caecilius, noticing a statue of Serapis, raised his hand to his mouth, as the superstitious common people do, and pressed a kiss upon it with his lips.
Chapter 3
3.1CSEL 2:4–5
Tunc Octauius ait: Non boni uiri est, Marce frater, hominem domi forisque lateri tuo inhaerentem sic in hac inperitiae uulgaris caecitate deserere, ut tam luculento die in lapides eum patiaris inpingere, effigiatos sane et unctos et coronatos, cum scias huius erroris non minorem ad te quam ad ipsum infamiam redundare.
Then Octavius said: "It is not the part of a good man, brother Marcus, to abandon a man who clings to your side at home and abroad to this blindness of vulgar ignorance, so that on so bright a day you let him stumble against stones, carved, to be sure, and anointed and garlanded, when you know that the disgrace of this error redounds on you no less than on him."
3.2CSEL 2:5
cum hoc sermone eius medium spatium civitatis emensi iam liberum litus tenebamus.
With this talk of his we had crossed the middle of the town and were now on the open shore.
3.3CSEL 2:5
ibi harenas extimas, uelut sterneret ambulacro, perfundens lenis unda tendebat, et ut semper mare etiam positis flatibus inquietum est, etsi non canis spumosisque fluctibus exibat ad terram, tamen crispis tortuosisque ibidem erroribus delectati perquam sumus, cum in ipso aequoris limine plantas tingueremus, quod uicissim nunc adpulsum nostris pedibus adluderet fluctus, nunc relabens ac uestigia retrahens in sese resorberet.
There a gentle wave, washing over the outermost sands, was stretching them smooth as if to lay out a promenade; and as the sea is always restless even when the winds have dropped, though it did not come up on the land in white and foaming breakers, still we were greatly delighted by its curling, winding wanderings there, as we dipped our feet at the very edge of the water, while the wave now struck against our feet and played about them, now slipped back and, drawing back our footprints, sucked itself in again.
3.4CSEL 2:5
sensim itaque tranquilleque progressi oram curui molliter litoris iter fabulis fallentibus legebamus. hae fabulae erant Octaui disserentis de nauigatione narratio.
So, advancing gradually and calmly, we followed the edge of the gently curving shore, beguiling the way with stories. These stories were Octavius's account of a sea voyage.
3.5CSEL 2:5
sed ubi eundi spatium satis iustum cum sermone consumpsimus, eandem emensi uiam rursus uersis uestigiis terebamus, et cum ad id loci uentum est, ubi subductae nauiculae substratis roboribus a terrena labe suspensae quiescebant, pueros uidimus certatim gestientes testarum in mare iaculationibus ludere.
But when we had spent a fair distance of walking in conversation, we turned around and trod the same way back again; and when we came to the place where small boats, drawn up and resting on timbers laid beneath them, were raised off the dirt of the ground, we saw boys eagerly competing at a game of throwing shells into the sea.
3.6CSEL 2:5–6
is lusus est testam teretem iactatione fluctuum leuigatam legere de litore, eam testam plano situ digitis conprehensam inclinem ipsum atque humilem quantum potest super undas inrotare, ut illud iaculum uel dorsum maris raderet [uel enataret], dum leni impetu labitur, uel summis fluctibus tonsis emicaret [emergeret, dum adsiduo saltu subleuatur. is se in pueris uictorem ferebat, cuius testa et procurreret longius et frequentius exsiliret.
The game is to pick up from the shore a shell made smooth by the tossing of the waves, to hold the shell flat in the fingers, and, bending oneself as low as possible, to send it spinning over the waves, so that the missile either skims the back of the sea while it glides with a gentle impetus, or, shaving the tops of the waves, flashes up and is lifted by continual leaps. That boy counted himself the winner among the boys whose shell both ran farthest and leapt most often.
Chapter 4
4.1CSEL 2:6
Igitur cum omnes hac spectaculi uoluptate caperemur, Caecilius nihil intendere neque de contentione ridere, sed tacens, anxius, segregatus dolere nescio quid uultu fatebatur.
So while all of us were taken with the pleasure of this spectacle, Caecilius paid no attention and did not laugh at the contest, but, silent, anxious, and apart, showed by his face that he was pained by something.
4.2CSEL 2:6
cui ego: Quid hoc est rei? cur non agnosco, Caecili, alacritatem tuam illam?
I said to him: "What is the matter? Why do I not recognize that liveliness of yours, Caecilius?
4.3CSEL 2:6
et illam oculorum etiam in seriis hilaritatem requiro. tum ille: Iam dudum me Octaui nostri acriter angit et remordet oratio, qua in te inuectus obiurgauit neglegentiae, ut me dissimulanter grauius argueret inscientiae..
I miss too that cheerfulness of your eyes, even in serious matters." Then he said: "For some while now the speech of our Octavius has been sharply vexing and gnawing at me, in which he attacked you and rebuked you for negligence, so as indirectly to accuse me more seriously of ignorance.
4.4CSEL 2:6
itaque progrediar ulterius: de toto et integro mihi cum Octauio res est. si placet, ut ipsius sectae homo cum eo disputem, iam profecto intelleget facilius esse in contubernalibus disputare quam conserere sapientiam:
So I will go further: my business is with Octavius, wholly and entirely. If he agrees, I will argue with him as a man of his own sect, and he will surely understand that it is easier to argue among companions than to join battle in wisdom.
4.5CSEL 2:6
modo in istis ad tutelam balnearum iactis et in altum procurrentibus petrarum obicibus residamus, ut et requiescere de itinere possimus et intentius disputare.
Only let us sit down on these barriers of rocks thrown out to protect the baths and running out into the deep, so that we can both rest from our walk and argue more attentively."
4.6CSEL 2:6
et cum dicto eius adsedimus, ita ut me ex tribus medium lateris ambitione protegerent: nec hoc obsequi fuit aut ordinis aut honoris, quippe cum amicitia pares semper aut accipiat aut faciat, sed ut arbiter et utrisque proximus aures darem et disceptantes duos medius segregarem.
And at his word we sat down, so that they placed me in the middle of the three, protecting me on either side; nor was this done out of deference or rank or honour, since friendship always either finds or makes men equal, but so that as arbiter, and nearest to both, I might give them my ears and, sitting in the middle, keep the two disputants apart.
Chapter 5
5.1CSEL 2:6
Tum sic Caecilius exorsus est: Quamquam tibi, Marce frater, de quo cum maxime quaerimus non sit ambiguum, utpote cum diligenter in utroque uiuendi genere uersatus repudiaris alterum, alterum conprobaris, in praesentiarum tamen ita tibi informandus est animus, ut libram teneas aequissimi iudicis nec in alteram partem propensus incumbas, ne non tam ex nostris disputationibus nata sententia quam ex tuis sensibus prolata uideatur.
Then Caecilius began thus: "Although for you, brother Marcus, the question we are chiefly inquiring into is not in doubt, since, having carefully lived in both ways of life, you have rejected the one and approved the other, still for the present you must so dispose your mind as to hold the balance of a most impartial judge and not lean inclined to one side, lest your verdict seem not so much born of our arguments as brought forth from your own feelings.
5.2CSEL 2:6–7
proinde si mihi quasi nouus aliqui et quasi ignarus partis utriusque considas, nullum negotium est patefacere, omnia in rebus humanis dubia, incerta, suspensa, magisque omnia uerisimilia quam uera.
So if you sit by me as someone new, as it were, and ignorant of both sides, it is no trouble to show that everything in human affairs is doubtful, uncertain, in suspense, and that all things are more probable than true.
5.3CSEL 2:7
quo minus mirum est nonnullos taedio inuestigandae penitus ueritatis cuilibet opinioni temere succumbere quam in explorando pertinaci diligentia perseuerare.
So it is the less surprising that some, out of weariness with searching thoroughly for the truth, rashly give in to any opinion whatever rather than persevere in investigating with persistent diligence.
5.4CSEL 2:7
itaque indignandum omnibus, indolescendum est audere quosdam, et hoc studiorum rudes, litterarum profanos, expertes artium etiam sordidarum, certum aliquid de summa rerum ac maiestate decernere, de qua tot omnibus saeculis sectarum plurimarum usque adhuc ipsa philosophia deliberat.
So all should be indignant, all should be pained, that certain people, and those untrained in study, strangers to letters, without skill even in the meaner crafts, dare to decide anything certain about the universe and its majesty, about which philosophy itself, with its many sects, has been deliberating through all these ages up to now.
5.5CSEL 2:7
nec inmerito, cum tantum absit ab exploratione diuina humana mediocritas, ut neque quae supra nos caelo suspensa sublata sunt, neque quae infra terram profunda demersa sunt, aut scire sit datum aut scrutari permissum aut suspicari religiosum, et beati satis satisque prudentes iure uideamur, si secundum illud uetus sapientis oraculum nosmet ipsos familiarius nouerimus.
And not without reason, since human mediocrity is so far from the investigation of divine things that it is neither granted to know, nor permitted to search out, nor reverent to conjecture what is lifted up and hung in the heavens above us, or what is sunk deep below the earth; and we may rightly seem happy enough and wise enough if, according to that ancient oracle of the sage, we know ourselves more intimately.
5.6CSEL 2:7
sed quatenus indulgentes insano atque inepto labori ultra humilitatis nostrae terminos euagamur et in terram proiecti caelum ipsum et ipsa sidera audaci cupiditate transcendimus, uel hunc errorem saltem non uanis et formidulosis opinionibus implicemus.
But since, indulging in an insane and foolish labour, we wander beyond the bounds of our lowliness, and, cast down upon the earth, we climb with bold desire beyond heaven itself and the stars themselves, let us at least not entangle this error with vain and fearful opinions.
5.7CSEL 2:7–8
sint principio omnium semina natura se coeunte densata, quis hic auctor deus? sint fortuitis concursionibus totius mundi membra coalita, digesta, formata, quis deus machinator? sidera licet ignis accenderit et caelum licet sua materia suspenderit, licet terram sua fundauerit pondere et mare licet confluxerit e liquore, unde haec religio, unde formido?
Suppose that in the beginning the seeds of all things were condensed by nature combining with itself: what god is the author here? Suppose that the members of the whole world were joined together, arranged, and formed by chance collisions: what god is the builder? Though fire may have kindled the stars, and the heaven may have been suspended by its own matter, and the earth founded by its own weight, and the sea flowed together from liquid, whence this religion, whence this fear?
5.8CSEL 2:8
quae superstitio est? homo et animal omne quod nascitur, inspiratur, attollitur, elementorum ut uoluntaria concretio est, in quae rursum homo et animal omne diuiditur, soluitur, dissipatur: ita in fontem refluunt et in semet omnia reuoluuntur, nullo artifice nec iudice nec auctore.
What is this superstition? Man, and every animal that is born, receives breath, and grows up, is as it were a voluntary combination of the elements, into which man and every animal is again divided, dissolved, and dispersed: so all things flow back to their source and turn back into themselves, with no maker, no judge, no author.
5.9CSEL 2:8
sic congregatis ignium seminibus soles alios atque alios semper splendere, sic exalatis terrae uaporibus nebulas semper adolescere, quibus densatis coactisque nubes altius surgere, isdem labentibus pluuias fluere, flare uentos, grandines increpare, uel nimbis conlidentibus tonitrua mugire, rutilare fulgora, fulmina praemicare: adeo passim cadunt, montes inruunt, arboribus incurrunt, sine dilectu tangunt loca sacra et profana, homines noxios feriunt et saepe religiosos.
So, by the gathering of the seeds of fire, other and yet other suns always shine; so, by the vapours breathed out from the earth, mists always grow; when these are condensed and compressed, clouds rise higher; when the same fall, rains flow, winds blow, hail rattles; or, when storm clouds collide, thunder roars, lightnings flash red, thunderbolts flash forth: so much do they fall at random, rush upon mountains, strike trees, touch without distinction places sacred and profane, strike guilty men and often religious ones too.
5.10CSEL 2:8
quid tempestates loquar uarias et incertas, quibus nullo ordine uel examine rerum omnium impetus uolutatur? in naufragiis bonorum malorumque fata mixta, merita confusa? in incendiis interitum conuenire insontium nocentiumque? et cum tabe pestifera caeli tractus inficitur, sine discrimine omnes deperire? et cum belli ardore saeuitur, meliores potius occumbere?
Why should I speak of the varied and uncertain storms, by which the onset of all things is tossed about without order or weighing? In shipwrecks, are not the fates of good and bad mixed together, their deserts confused? In fires, do not innocent and guilty meet the same death? And when a tract of the sky is infected with a pestilent plague, do not all perish without distinction? And when war rages hotly, do not the better men rather fall?
5.11CSEL 2:8
in pace etiam non tantum aequatur nequitia melioribus, sed et colitur, ut in pluribus nescias, utrum sit eorum detestanda prauitas an optanda felicitas.
In peace too wickedness is not only put on a level with the better sort but even honoured, so that in many cases you do not know whether their depravity should be detested or their prosperity desired.
5.12CSEL 2:8–9
quod si mundus diuina prouidentia et alicuius numinis auctoritate regeretur, numquam mereretur Phalaris et Dionysius regnum, numquam Rutilius et Camillus exilium, numquam Socrates uenenum.
But if the world were ruled by divine providence and by the authority of some deity, Phalaris and Dionysius would never have deserved a kingdom, nor Rutilius and Camillus exile, nor Socrates poison.
5.13CSEL 2:9
ecce arbusta frugifera, ecce iam seges cana, iam temulenta uindemia imbri corrumpitur, grandine caeditur. adeo aut incerta nobis ueritas occultatur et premitur, aut quod magis credendum est, uariis et lubricis casibus soluta legibus fortuna dominatur.
See, the fruit-bearing trees, see, the crop already white, the vintage already heady, are spoiled by rain, cut down by hail. So either the truth is hidden and kept down, uncertain to us, or, what is more to be believed, Fortune, freed from laws, rules through varied and slippery chances."
Chapter 6
6.1CSEL 2:9
Cum igitur aut fortuna caeca aut incerta natura sit, quanto uenerabilius ac melius antistitem ueritatis maiorum excipere disciplinam, religiones traditas colere, deos, quos a parentibus ante inbutus es timere quam nosse familiarius, adorare, nec de numinibus ferre sententiam, sed prioribus credere, qui adhuc rudi saeculo in ipsis mundi natalibus meruerunt deos uel faciles habere uel reges? inde adeo per uniuersa imperia, prouincias, oppida uidemus singulos sacrorum ritus gentiles habere et deos colere municipes, ut Eleusinios Cererem, Phrygas Matrem, Epidaurios Aesculapium, Chaldaeos Belum, Astarten Syros, Dianam Taurios, Gallos Mercurium, numina uniuersa Romanos.
"Since, then, either Fortune is blind or nature uncertain, how much more reverent and better it is to receive the teaching of our ancestors as the high priest of truth, to cultivate the religions handed down, to worship the gods whom you were trained by your parents to fear before you knew them more intimately, and not to pass judgment on the divine powers but to believe those before us, who in an age still rude, at the very birth of the world, were worthy to have gods either as kindly helpers or as kings? Hence, then, we see throughout all empires, provinces, and towns that each people has its own rites of worship and worships local gods: the Eleusinians Ceres, the Phrygians the Mother, the Epidaurians Aesculapius, the Chaldaeans Bel, the Syrians Astarte, the Taurians Diana, the Gauls Mercury, the Romans all the divinities.
6.2CSEL 2:9–10
sic eorum potestas et auctoritas totius orbis ambitum occupauit, sic imperium suum ultra solis uias et ipsius Oceani limites propagauit, dum exercent in armis uirtutem religiosam, dum urbem muniunt sacrorum religionibus, castis uirginibus, multis honoribus ac nominibus sacerdotum, dum obsessi et citra solum Capitolium capti colunt deos, quos alius iam spreuisset iratos, et per Gallorum acies mirantium superstitionis audaciam pergunt telis inermes, sed cultu religionis armati, dum captis hostilibus moenibus adhuc ferociente uictoria numina uicta uenerantur, dum undique hospites deos quaerunt et suos faciunt, dum aras extruunt interdum etiam ignotis numinibus et manibus.
So their power and authority has occupied the circuit of the whole world; so they have extended their empire beyond the paths of the sun and the bounds of Ocean itself, while they practise a religious valour in arms, while they fortify the city with the rites of sacred things, with chaste virgins, with many honours and titles of priests; while, besieged and captured except for the Capitol alone, they worship gods whom another would already have spurned as angry, and pass through the ranks of the Gauls, who marvel at the boldness of their superstition, unarmed with weapons but armed with the worship of religion; while, having taken the enemy's walls, with victory still raging, they venerate the conquered gods; while they seek out guest gods from everywhere and make them their own; while they build altars sometimes even to unknown divinities and to the shades of the dead.
6.3CSEL 2:10
sic dum uniuersarum gentium sacra suscipiunt, etiam regna meruerunt. hinc perpetuus uenerationis tenor mansit, quae longa aetate non infringitur, sed augetur: quippe antiquitas caerimoniis atque fanis tantum sanctitatis tribuere consueuit quantum adstruxerit uetustatis.
So, while they took up the sacred rites of all nations, they also won kingdoms. Hence the unbroken course of veneration has remained, which is not weakened by long ages but increased; for antiquity is accustomed to attribute to ceremonies and temples as much sanctity as it has added of age.
Chapter 7
7.1CSEL 2:10
Nec tamen temere (ausim enim interim et ipse concedere et sic melius errare) maiores nostri aut obseruandis auguriis aut extis consulendis aut instituendis sacris aut delubris dedicandis operam nauauerunt.
"Nor was it rashly (for I would venture for the moment to concede this myself, and so err the better) that our ancestors gave their effort to observing auguries, consulting entrails, instituting sacred rites, or dedicating shrines.
7.2CSEL 2:10
specta de libris memoriam: iam eos deprehendes initiasse ritus omnium religionum, uel ut remuneraretur diuina indulgentia, uel ut auerteretur imminens ira aut iam tumens et saeuiens placaretur.
Look at the record in the books: you will find at once that they initiated the rites of all religions either that divine favour might be repaid, or that wrath impending might be averted, or, when already swelling and raging, might be appeased.
7.3CSEL 2:10–11
testis mater Idaea, quae aduentu suo et probauit matronae castitatem et urbem metu hostili liberauit: testes equestrium fratrum in lacu, sicut se ostenderant, statuae consecratae, qui anheli spumantibus equis atque fumantibus de Perse uictoriam eadem die qua fecerant nuntiauerunt: testis ludorum offensi Iouis de somnio plebei hominis iteratio; et Deciorum deuotio rata testis est: testis et Curtius, qui equitis sui uel mole uel honore hiatum profundae uoraginis coaequauit.
Witness the Idaean Mother, who by her arrival both proved a matron's chastity and freed the city from fear of the enemy; witness the statues of the horsemen brothers consecrated at the pool where they had shown themselves, who, panting, on foaming and steaming horses, announced the victory over Perseus on the same day they had won it; witness the repetition of the games, when Jupiter had been offended, from the dream of a man of the people; and the self-sacrifice of the Decii is a valid witness; witness too Curtius, who filled the chasm of a deep abyss with the bulk, or with the honour, of his rider's body.
7.4CSEL 2:11
frequentius etiam quam uolebamus deorum praesentiam contempta auspicia contestata sunt. sic Allia nomen infaustum, sic Claudi et Iuni non proelium in Poenos, sed ferale naufragium est, et ut Trasymenus Romanorum sanguine et maior esset et decolor, spreuit auguria Flaminius, et ut Parthos signa repeteremus, dirarum inprecationes Crassus et meruit et inrisit.
Even more often than we wished, auspices despised have testified to the presence of the gods. So the Allia is an ill-omened name; so the affair of Claudius and Junius against the Carthaginians was not a battle but a deadly shipwreck; and so that the Trasimene might be both larger and discoloured with Roman blood, Flaminius spurned the auguries; and so that we must seek back our standards from the Parthians, Crassus both deserved and mocked the imprecations of the Furies.
7.5CSEL 2:11
omitto uetera quae multa sunt, et de deorum natalibus, donis, muneribus neglego carmina poetarum, praedicta etiam de oraculis fata transilio, ne uobis antiquitas nimium fabulosa uideatur. intende templis ac delubris deorum, quibus Romana ciuitas et protegitur et ornatur: magis sunt augusta numinibus incolis, praesentibus, inquilinis quam cultu, insignibus et muneribus opulenta.
I pass over the old stories, which are many; I neglect the poets' songs about the births, gifts, and rewards of the gods; I skip over even the fates foretold by oracles, lest antiquity seem to you too full of fables. Look at the temples and shrines of the gods, by which the Roman city is both protected and adorned: they are more august by their divine inhabitants, present and indwelling, than rich in worship, ornaments, and gifts.
7.6CSEL 2:11
inde adeo pleni et mixti deo uates futura praecerpunt, dant cautelam periculis, morbis medellam, spem adflictis, opem miseris, solacium calamitatibus, laboribus leuamentum. etiam per quietem deos uidemus, audimus, agnoscimus, quos impie per diem negamus, nolumus, peieramus.
Hence, then, prophets filled with and mingled with the god pluck the future beforehand, give warning of dangers, healing to diseases, hope to the afflicted, help to the wretched, comfort in calamities, relief in labours. Even in sleep we see, hear, and recognize the gods whom by day we impiously deny, refuse, and forswear.
Chapter 8
8.1CSEL 2:11
Itaque cum omnium gentium de dis inmortalibus, quamuis incerta sit uel ratio uel origo, maneat tamen firma consensio, neminem fero tanta audacia tamque inreligiosa nescio qua prudentia tumescentem, qui hanc religionem tam uetustam, tam utilem, tam salubrem dissoluere aut infirmare nitatur.
"So, since among all nations there remains a firm agreement about the immortal gods, however uncertain their nature or origin may be, I cannot bear anyone swelling with such boldness and with some irreligious wisdom or other, as to strive to dissolve or weaken this religion, so ancient, so useful, so wholesome.
8.2CSEL 2:11–12
sit licet ille Theodorus Cyrenaeus, uel qui prior Diagoras Melius, cui atheon cognomen adposuit antiquitas, qui uterque nullos deos adseuerando timorem omnem, quo humanitas regitur, uenerationemque penitus sustulerunt: numquam tamen in hac inpietatis disciplina simulatae philosophiae nomine atque auctoritate pollebunt.
Let it be that famous Theodorus of Cyrene, or Diagoras of Melos before him, to whom antiquity gave the surname 'atheist', both of whom, by asserting that there are no gods, did away entirely with all the fear by which humankind is governed, and with veneration: yet never in this school of impiety will they prevail by the name and authority of a pretended philosophy.
8.3CSEL 2:12
cum Abderiten Protagoram Athenienses uiri consulte potius quam profane de diuinitate disputantem et expulerint suis finibus et in contione eius scripta deusserint, quid homines (sustinebitis enim me impetum susceptae actionis liberius exerentem) homines, inquam, deploratae, inlicitae ac desperatae factionis grassari in deos non ingemescendum est?
When the men of Athens expelled Protagoras of Abdera from their territory and burned his writings in the assembly, because he argued about the divinity deliberately rather than profanely, is it not a matter for groaning that men (for you will bear with me as I give freer rein to the impetus of the case I have undertaken), men, I say, of a deplorable, unlawful, and desperate faction should rage against the gods?
8.4CSEL 2:12
qui de ultima faece collectis imperitioribus et mulieribus credulis sexus sui facilitate labentibus plebem profanae coniurationis instituunt, quae nocturnis congregationibus et ieiuniis sollemnibus et inhumanis cibis non sacro quodam, sed piaculo foederatur, latebrosa et lucifuga natio, in publicum muta, in angulis garrula: templa ut busta despiciunt, deos despuunt, rident sacra, miserentur miseri ipsi, si fas est,
They gather from the lowest dregs the more ignorant men and credulous women, who fall easily through the weakness of their sex, and establish a rabble of profane conspiracy, which is bound together by nocturnal gatherings, solemn fasts, and inhuman food, not by any sacred rite but by an abomination: a skulking, light-shunning tribe, silent in public, chattering in corners. They despise temples as tombs, spit upon the gods, laugh at sacred rites; wretched themselves, they pity, if it is lawful to say so,
8.5CSEL 2:12
sacerdotum, honores etpurpuras despiciunt, ipsi seminudi, pro mira stultitia et incredibilis audacia! spernunt tormenta praesentia, dum incerta metuunt et futura, et dum mori post mortem timent, interim mori non timent: ita illis pauorem fallax spes solacio rediuiuo blanditur.
the priests; they despise honours and purple robes, themselves half-naked. What wonderful folly, what incredible boldness! They spurn present torments while they fear uncertain future ones, and while they fear to die after death, they do not fear to die meanwhile: so deceitful hope soothes their fear with the comfort of coming back to life.
Chapter 9
9.1CSEL 2:12–13
Ac iam, ut fecundius nequiora proueniunt, serpentibus in dies perditis moribus per uniuersum orbem sacraria ista taeterrima impiae coitionis adolescunt. eruenda prorsus haec et execranda consensio.
"And now, as the worse things grow more fruitfully, with corrupt morals creeping on daily, these most foul shrines of an impious assembly are growing up throughout the whole world. This confederacy must be utterly rooted out and cursed.
9.2CSEL 2:13
occultis se notis et insignibus noscunt et amant mutuo paene antequam nouerint: passim etiam inter eos uelut quaedam libidinum religio miscetur, ac se promisce appellant fratres et sorores, ut etiam non insolens stuprum intercessione sacri nominis fiat incestum. ita eorum uana et demens superstitio sceleribus gloriatur.
They know each other by secret marks and signs, and love one another almost before they know one another; everywhere also a kind of religion of lust is mingled among them, and they call one another brothers and sisters indiscriminately, so that even ordinary debauchery becomes incest by the use of the sacred name. So their vain and mad superstition glories in crimes.
9.3CSEL 2:13
nec de ipsis, nisi subsisteret ueritas, maxime nefaria et honore praefanda sagax fama loqueretur. audio eos turpissimae pecudis caput [asini] consecratum inepta nescio qua persuasione uenerari: digna et nata religio talibus moribus!
Nor would shrewd rumour speak of the most wicked things about them, things to be mentioned only with an apology, unless truth lay beneath. I hear that, by some foolish persuasion or other, they worship the consecrated head of a most disgraceful beast: a religion worthy of such morals and born of them!
9.4CSEL 2:13
alii eos ferunt ipsius antistitis ac sacerdotis colere genitalia et quasi parentis sui adorare naturam: nescio an falsa, certe occultis ac nocturnis sacris adposita suspicio! et qui hominem summo supplicio pro facinore punitum et crucis ligna feralia eorum caerimonias fabulatur, congruentia perditis sceleratisque tribuit altaria, ut id colant quod merentur.
Others say that they worship the genitals of their very overseer and priest, and adore, as it were, the nature of their parent: I do not know whether this is false, but the suspicion certainly fits secret and nocturnal rites. And he who tells that their ceremonies involve a man punished with the supreme penalty for a crime, and the deadly wood of the cross, assigns to lost and wicked men altars that suit them, so that they worship what they deserve.
9.5CSEL 2:13
iam de initiandis tirunculis fabula tam detestanda quam nota est. infans farre contectus, ut decipiat incautos, adponitur ei qui sacris inbuatur. is infans a tirunculo farris superficie quasi ad innoxios ictus prouocato caecis occultisque uulneribus occiditur. huius, pro nefas! sitienter sanguinem lambunt, huius certatim membra dispertiunt, hac foederantur hostia, hac conscientia sceleris ad silentium mutuum pignerantur. haec sacra sacrilegiis omnibus taetriora.
Now the story about the initiation of novices is as detestable as it is well known. An infant covered with meal, to deceive the unwary, is set before the one being initiated into the rites. This infant is killed with blind and hidden wounds by the novice, who is urged on to strike what seem harmless blows at the surface of the meal. Its blood (O horror!) they lick up thirstily; its limbs they eagerly divide among themselves; by this victim they are bound in league; by this complicity in crime they are pledged to mutual silence. These rites are fouler than all sacrileges.
9.6CSEL 2:13–14
et de conuiuio notum est; passim omnes locuntur, id etiam Cirtensis nostri testatur oratio. ad epulas sollemni die coeunt cum omnibus liberis, sororibus, matribus, sexus omnis homines et omnis aetatis. illic post multas epulas, ubi conuiuium caluit et incestae libidinis ebriatis feruor exarsit, canis, qui candelabro nexus est, iactu offulae ultra spatium lineae, qua uinctus est, ad impetum et saltum prouocatur.
And about their banquet it is well known; everyone speaks of it everywhere; the speech of our man from Cirta also testifies to it. On a solemn day they gather for a feast with all their children, sisters, mothers, people of every sex and every age. There, after much feasting, when the banquet has grown warm and the heat of incestuous lust has flared up in the drunken, a dog that is tied to the lampstand is provoked to rush and leap by a morsel thrown beyond the length of the cord by which it is bound.
9.7CSEL 2:14
sic euerso et extincto conscio lumine inpudentibus tenebris nexus infandae cupiditatis inuoluunt per incertum sortis, etsi non omnes opera, conscientia tamen pariter incesti, quoniam uoto uniuersorum adpetitur quicquid accidere potest in actu singulorum.
So, the light that would have been a witness being overturned and put out, in shameless darkness they entwine in the embraces of unspeakable lust as chance decides; and if not all in deed, yet all alike in complicity are guilty of incest, since whatever can happen in the act of individuals is sought by the wish of all.
Chapter 10
10.1CSEL 2:14
Multa praetereo consulto: nam et haec nimis multa sunt, quae aut omnia aut pleraque [omnium] uera declarat ipsius prauae religionis obscuritas.
"I pass over many things deliberately; for even these are too many, and the very secrecy of this depraved religion declares that all or most of them are true.
10.2CSEL 2:14
cur etenim occultare et abscondere quicquid illud colunt magnopere nituntur, cum honesta semper publico gaudeant, scelera secreta sint? cur nullas aras habent, templa nulla, nulla nota simulacra, numquam palam loqui, numquam libere congregari, nisi illud, quod colunt et interprimunt, aut puniendum est aut pudendum?
For why do they strive so hard to hide and conceal whatever it is they worship, when honourable things always rejoice in publicity while crimes are secret? Why do they have no altars, no temples, no known images? Why do they never speak openly, never assemble freely, unless what they worship and suppress is either punishable or shameful?
10.4CSEL 2:14
Iudaeorum sola et misera gentilitas unum et ipsi deum, sed palam, sed templis, aris, uictimis caerimoniisque coluerunt, cuius adeo nulla uis nec potestas est, ut sit Romanis numinibus cum sua sibi natione captiuus.
The Jews alone, a wretched people, also worshipped one God, but openly, with temples, altars, victims, and ceremonies; yet he has so little strength or power that he is a captive of the Roman divinities together with his own nation.
10.5CSEL 2:14–15
at iam Christiani quanta monstra, quae portenta confingunt! Deum illum suum, quem nec ostendere possunt nec uidere, in omnium mores, actus omnium, uerba denique et occultas cogitationes diligenter inquirere: discurrentem scilicet atque ubique praesentem molestum illum uolunt, inquietum, inpudenter etiam curiosum, siquidem adstat factis omnibus, locis omnibus intererrat, cum nec singulis inseruire possit per uniuersa districtus nec uniuersis sufficere in singulis occupatus.
But now, what monsters, what prodigies the Christians invent! That God of theirs, whom they can neither show nor see, they say inquires diligently into the conduct of all, the acts of all, even their words and hidden thoughts; running about, of course, and present everywhere; they want him to be troublesome, restless, even shamelessly curious, since he stands by at all deeds and wanders among all places, although he can neither attend to individuals while distracted by the whole, nor suffice for the whole while occupied with individuals.
10.8CSEL 2:14
unde autem uel quis ille aut ubi deus unicus, solitarius, destitutus, quem non gens libera, non regna, non saltem Romana superstitio nouerunt?
And whence, or who, or where is that one God, solitary, forsaken, whom no free nation, no kingdoms, not even Roman superstition has known?
Chapter 11
11.1CSEL 2:15
Quid? quod toto orbi et ipsi mundo cum sideribus suis minantur incendium, ruinam moliuntur, quasi aut naturae diuinis legibus constitutus aeternus ordo turbetur aut rupto elementorum omnium foedere et caelesti conpage diuisa moles ista, qua continetur et cingitur, subruatur.
"What of the fact that they threaten the whole earth and the world itself with its stars with a conflagration, and plan its ruin, as if either the eternal order of nature, established by divine laws, could be disturbed, or, the league of all the elements being broken and the heavenly framework split apart, this mass by which it is contained and girded could be overthrown?
11.2CSEL 2:15
nec hac furiosa opinione contenti aniles fabulas adstruunt et adnectunt: renasci se ferunt post mortem et cineres et fauillas et nescio qua fiducia mendaciis suis inuicem credunt: putes eos iam reuixisse.
And not content with this mad opinion, they build on and attach old wives' tales: they say that they are born again after death, from cinders and ashes, and with some confidence or other they believe one another's lies: you would think they had already come back to life.
11.3CSEL 2:15
anceps malum et gemina dementia, caelo et astris, quae sic relinquimus, ut inuenimus, interitum denuntiare, sibi mortuis et extinctis, qui sicut nascimur et interimus, aeternitatem repromittere!
A double evil and twin madness: to announce destruction to the sky and the stars, which we leave as we found them, and to promise eternity to themselves, dead and extinguished, who perish just as we are born!
11.4CSEL 2:15
inde uidelicet et execrantur rogos et damnant ignium sepulturas, quasi non omne corpus, etsi flammis subtrahatur, annis tamen et aetatibus in terram resoluatur, nec intersit, utrum ferae diripiant an maria consumant an humus contegat an flamma subducat, cum cadaueribus omnis sepultura, si sentiunt, poena sit, si non sentiunt, ipsa conficiendi celeritate medicina.
Hence, of course, they curse funeral pyres and condemn burial by fire, as if every body, even if withdrawn from the flames, were not nevertheless dissolved into earth by years and ages; and it makes no difference whether wild beasts tear it apart or seas consume it or the ground covers it or flame takes it away, since for corpses every burial, if they feel, is a punishment, and if they do not feel, is a remedy in the very speed of its consuming.
11.5CSEL 2:15
hoc errore decepti beatam sibi ut bonis et perpetem uitam mortuis pollicentur, ceteris ut iniustis poenam sempiternam. multa ad haec subpetunt, ni festinet oratio. iniustos ipsos magis nec laboro, iam docui: quamquam, etsi iustos darem, culpam tamen uel innocentiam fato tribui sententia est plurimorum, etiam uestra consensio est.
Deceived by this error, they promise themselves, as good men, a blessed and everlasting life after death, and to others, as unjust, eternal punishment. Much comes to mind to say about this, but my speech is in haste. That they themselves are rather the unjust I need not labour to show; I have already shown it. And yet, even if I granted that they were just, it is the opinion of most that guilt or innocence is assigned by fate, and your agreement concurs.
11.6CSEL 2:15
nam quicquid agimus, ut alii fato, ita uos deo addicitis: sic sectae uestrae non spontaneos cupere, sed electos.
For whatever we do, as others ascribe it to fate, so you ascribe it to God; so it is not those who are willing who desire your sect, but those who are chosen.
11.7CSEL 2:15–16
igitur iniquum iudicem fingitis qui sortem in hominibus puniat, non uoluntatem. uellem tamen sciscitari, utrumne cum corporibus an sine corporibus, et corporibus quibus, ipsisne an innouatis resurgatur? sine corpore? hoc, quod sciam, neque mens neque anima nec uita est. ipso corpore? sed iam ante dilapsum est. alio corpore? ergo homo nouus nascitur, non prior ille reparatur.
So you imagine an unjust judge, who punishes in men their lot, not their will. Yet I should like to ask whether the resurrection is with bodies or without bodies, and with which bodies, the same ones or renewed ones. Without a body? That, as far as I know, is neither mind nor soul nor life. With the same body? But it has already fallen to pieces. With another body? Then a new man is born, not the former one restored.
11.8CSEL 2:16
et tamen tanta aetas abiit, saecula innumera fluxerunt: quis unus ullus ab inferis uel Protesilai sorte remeauit, horarum saltem.. permisso commeatu, uel ut exemplo crederemus?
And yet so long a time has passed, countless ages have flowed by: what single person has come back from the underworld, even with the lot of Protesilaus, with leave granted for a few hours at least, so that we might believe by an example?
11.9CSEL 2:16
omnia ista figmenta male sanae opinionis et inepta solacia a poetis fallacibus in dulcedinem carminis lusa a uobis nimium credulis in deum uestrum turpiter reformata sunt.
All these fictions of an unsound opinion, and foolish consolations, made up in play by lying poets for the sweetness of their verse, have been disgracefully refashioned by you, who are too credulous, to suit your God.
Chapter 12
12.1CSEL 2:16
Nec saltem de praesentibus capitis experimentum, quam uos inritae pollicitationis cassa uota decipiant: quid post mortem inpendeat, miseri,-dum adhuc uiuitis, aestimate.
"You do not even take a lesson from present things, how the empty wishes of a vain promise deceive you: consider, wretched men, while you are still alive, what threatens you after death.
12.2CSEL 2:16
ecce pars uestrum, et maior, melior, ut dicitis, egetis algetis, opere fame laboratis, et Deus patitur dissimulat, non uult aut non potest opitulari suis: ita aut inualidus aut iniquus est.
See, part of you, and the larger and better part, as you say, are in want, suffer cold, labour with toil and hunger; and your God allows it, pretends not to see; he does not wish or is not able to help his own: so he is either powerless or unjust.
12.3CSEL 2:16
tu, qui inmortalitatem postumam somnias, cum periculo quateris, cum febribus ureris, cum dolore laceraris, nondum condicionem tuam sentis? nondum adgnoscis fragilitatem? inuitus miser infirmitatis argueris nec fateris.
You who dream of immortality after death, when you are shaken by danger, burned with fever, torn with pain, do you not yet perceive your condition? Do you not yet recognize your frailty? Wretch, you are convicted of weakness against your will, and do not confess it.
12.4CSEL 2:16–17
sed omitto communia. ecce uobis minae, supplicia, tormenta, et iam non adorandae sed subeundae cruces, ignes etiam quos et praedicitis et timetis: ubi deus ille, qui subuenire reuiuescentibus potest, uiuentibus non potest?
But I pass over common things. See, threats, punishments, tortures are ready for you, and crosses now not to be worshipped but to be undergone, fires too, which you both predict and fear: where is that God who can help men when they come back to life but cannot help the living?
12.5CSEL 2:17
nonne Romani sine uestro deo imperant regnant, fruuntur orbe toto uestrique dominantur? uos uero suspensi interim atque solliciti honestis uoluptatibus abstinetis, non spectacula uisitis, non pompis interestis, conuiuia publica absque uobis, sacra certamina, praecerptos cibos et delibatos altaribus potus abhorretis. sic reformidatis deos quos negatis.
Do not the Romans, without your God, rule and reign, enjoy the whole world, and lord it over you? You, meanwhile, in suspense and anxiety, abstain from honourable pleasures: you do not attend the shows, you take no part in processions, public banquets are held without you; you shrink from the sacred games, from food of which a first portion has been taken and from drink poured in libation on the altars. So you dread the gods whom you deny.
12.6CSEL 2:17
non floribus caput nectitis, non corpus odoribus honestatis: reseruatis unguenta funeribus, coronas etiam sepulcris denegatis, pallidi trepidi, misericordia digni, sed nostrorum deorum. ita nec resurgitis miseri nec interim uiuitis.
You do not bind your heads with flowers, you do not grace your bodies with perfumes; you reserve ointments for funerals, you even refuse garlands to tombs, pale, trembling, worthy of pity, but the pity of our gods. So, wretched men, you neither rise again nor live in the meantime.
12.7CSEL 2:17
proinde si quid sapientiae uobis aut uerecundiae est, desinite caeli plagas et mundi fata et secreta rimari: satis est pro pedibus aspicere maxime indoctis, inpolitis, rudibus, agrestibus, quibus non est datum intellegere ciuilia, multo magis denegatum est disserere diuina.
So if you have any wisdom or modesty, stop prying into the regions of the sky and the destinies and secrets of the world: it is enough to look at what lies before your feet, especially for the unlearned, unpolished, rude, and rustic, to whom it is not given to understand civil affairs, much less is it allowed to discuss divine things."
Chapter 13
13.1CSEL 2:17
Quamquam si philosophandi libido est, Socraten, sapientiae principem, quisque uestrum tantus est, si potuerit, imitetur. eius uiri, quotiens de caelestibus rogabatur, nota responsio est: quod supra nos, nihil ad nos.
"Yet if you have a desire to philosophize, let any of you who is great enough imitate, if he can, Socrates, the prince of wisdom. That man's answer, whenever he was asked about heavenly things, is well known: 'What is above us is nothing to us.'
13.2CSEL 2:17
merito ergo de oraculo testimonium meruit prudentiae singularis. quod oraculum, idem ipse persensit, idcirco uniuersis se esse praepositum, non quod omnia comperisset, sed quod nihil se scire didicisset: ita confessae inperitiae summa prudentia est.
Rightly, therefore, he earned from the oracle the testimony of singular wisdom. He himself perceived that oracle's meaning: that he was set above all men not because he had discovered everything but because he had learned that he knew nothing. So the highest wisdom is the confession of ignorance.
13.3CSEL 2:17–18
hoc fonte defluxit Arcesilae et multo post Carneadis et Academicorum plurimorum in summis quaestionibus tuta dubitatio, quo genere philosophari et caute indocti. possunt et docti gloriose.
From this source flowed the safe doubt of Arcesilaus, and much later of Carneades and most of the Academics, on the highest questions; in this manner the unlearned can philosophize cautiously, and the learned gloriously.
13.4CSEL 2:18
quid, Simonidis melici nonne admiranda omnibus et sectanda cunctatio? qui Simonides, cum de eo, quid et quales arbitraretur deos, ab Hierone tyranno quaereretur, primo deliberationi diem petiit, postridie biduum prorogauit, mox: alterum tantum admonitus adiunxit. postremo cum causas tantae morae tyrannus inquireret, respondit ille, quod sibi quanto inquisitio tardior pergeret, tanto ueritas fieret obscurior.
What of the lyric poet Simonides? Is not his hesitation to be admired and followed by all? When the tyrant Hiero asked this Simonides what he thought the gods were, and of what kind, he first asked for a day to consider; the next day he put it off for two days; then, when reminded, he added as many again. Finally, when the tyrant asked the reasons for so long a delay, he replied that the slower his inquiry went, the more obscure the truth became for him.
13.5CSEL 2:18
mea quoque opinione quae sunt dubia, ut sunt, relinquenda sunt, nec tot ac tantis uiris deliberantibus temere et audaciter in alteram partem ferenda sententia est, ne aut anilis inducatur superstitio aut omnis religio destruatur.
In my opinion too, what is doubtful should be left, as it is, doubtful; and when so many great men are deliberating, one should not rashly and boldly give a verdict for one side, lest either an old wives' superstition be introduced or all religion be destroyed."
Chapter 14
14.1CSEL 2:18
Sic Caecilius et renidens (nam indignationis eius tumorem effusae orationis impetus relaxauerat): Ecquid ad haec, ait, audet Octauius, homo Plautinae prosapiae, ut Christianorum praecipuus, ita postremus philosophorum?
So Caecilius spoke, and, smiling (for the flow of his outpoured speech had eased the swelling of his indignation), he said: "Does Octavius dare anything in reply to this, a man of the race of Plautus, as foremost of the Christians, so last of the philosophers?"
14.2CSEL 2:18
Parce, inquam, in eum plaudere: neque enim prius exultare te dignum est concinnitate sermonis, quam utrimque plenius fuerit peroratum, maxime cum non laudi, set ueritati disceptatio uestra nitatur.
"Stop applauding yourself against him," I said; "for it is not fitting for you to exult in the elegance of your speech before both sides have been more fully argued, especially since your debate strives not for praise but for truth.
14.4CSEL 2:18–19
id accidere pernotum est auditorum facilitate, qui dum uerborum lenocinio a rerum intentionibus auocantur, sine dilectu adsentiuntur dictis omnibus nec a rectis falsa secernunt, nescientes inesse et in incredibili uerum et in uerisimili mendacium.
It is very well known that this happens through the easiness of hearers, who, while they are drawn away from the substance of things by the allurement of words, assent without discrimination to everything said and do not separate false from right, not knowing that there is truth even in the incredible and falsehood in the probable.
14.5CSEL 2:19
itaque quo saepius adseuerationibus credunt, eo frequentius a peritioribus arguuntur: sic adsidue temeritate decepti culpam iudicii sui transferunt ad incerti querellam, ut damnatis omnibus malint uniuersa suspendere quam de fallacibus iudicare.
So the more often they believe assertions, the more frequently they are refuted by the more skilful; thus, constantly deceived by their rashness, they transfer the blame of their own judgment to a complaint about uncertainty, so that, having condemned everything, they prefer to suspend judgment on all things rather than judge between deceptive ones.
14.6CSEL 2:19
igitur nobis prouidendum est, ne odio identidem sermonum omnium laboremus ita, ut in execrationem et odium hominum plerique simpliciores efferantur. nam incaute creduli circumueniuntur ab iis quos bonos putauerunt: mox errore consimili iam suspectis omnibus ut improbos metuunt etiam quos optimos sentire potuerunt.
So we must take care not to suffer from a hatred of all arguments in such a way as many simpler people are carried into cursing and hatred of men. For, credulous without caution, they are cheated by those they thought good; soon, by a like error, now suspecting everyone, they fear as wicked even those whom they could have found to be the best.
14.7CSEL 2:19
nos proinde solliciti, quod utrimque omni in negotio disseratur et ex altera parte plerumque obscura sit ueritas, ex altero latere mira subtilitas, quae nonnumquam ubertate dicendi fidem confessae probationis imitetur, diligenter quantum potest singula ponderemus, ut argutias quidem laudare, ea uero quae recta sunt, eligere, probare, suscipere possimus.
Therefore let us, anxious because in every matter both sides are argued, and on one side the truth is often obscure, while on the other there is a wonderful subtlety which sometimes by its fullness of speech imitates the credibility of acknowledged proof, weigh each point carefully as far as possible, so that we may praise the cleverness, but choose, approve, and accept what is right.
14.8CSEL 2:18
et quamquam magnum in modum me subtili uarietate tua delectarit oratio, tamen altius moueor, non de praesenti actione, sed de toto genere disputandi, quod plerumque pro disserentium uiribus et eloquentiae potestate etiam perspicuae ueritatis condicio mutetur.
And although your speech has delighted me very much with its subtle variety, yet I am more deeply moved, not about the present case, but about the whole manner of debating, because often, according to the strength of the speakers and the power of their eloquence, the status even of evident truth is changed."
Chapter 15
15.1CSEL 2:19
Decedis, inquit Caecilius, officio iudicis religiosi: nam periniurium est uires te actionis meae intergressu grauissimae disputationis infringere, cum Octauius integra et inlibata debeat singula, si potest, refutare.
"You are departing from the duty of a conscientious judge," said Caecilius; "for it is very unfair of you to weaken the force of my case by interposing a most weighty argument, when Octavius ought to refute each point, if he can, whole and untouched."
15.2CSEL 2:19
Id quod criminaris, inquam, in commune, nisi fallor, conpendium protuli, ut examine scrupuloso nostram sententiam non eloquentiae tumore, sed rerum ipsarum soliditate libremus, nec auocanda, quod quereris, diutius intentio, cum toto silentio liceat responsionem Ianuari nostri iam gestientis audire.
"What you accuse me of," I said, "I put forward for our common benefit, unless I am mistaken, so that by a scrupulous examination we might weigh our verdict not by the swelling of eloquence but by the solidity of the facts themselves. Nor should our attention be diverted longer, as you complain, since in complete silence we may now hear the reply of our Januarius, who is eager to begin."
Chapter 16
16.1CSEL 2:19–20
Et Octauius: Dicam equidem, ut potero pro uiribus, et adnitendum tibi mecum est, ut conuiciorum amarissimam labem uerborum ueracium flumine diluamus- nec dissimulabo principio ita Natalis mei errantem, uagam, lubricam nutasse sententiam, ut sit nobis ambigendum, utrum uersutia turbata sit, an uacillauerit per errorem.
And Octavius said: "I will speak, indeed, as well as I can with my strength, and you must strive with me to wash away the most bitter stain of these insults with a river of true words. Nor will I conceal at the outset that the opinion of my friend Natalis has wavered so erratically, so vaguely, so slipperily, that we must be in doubt whether it was confused by cunning or tottered through error.
16.2CSEL 2:20
nam interim deos credere, interim se deliberare uariauit, ut propositionis incerto incertior responsionis nostrae intentio fundaretur. sed in Natali meo uersutiam nolo, non credo: procul est ab eius simplicitate subtilis urbanitas. quid igitur?
For he varied, now believing in gods, now saying that he was deliberating, so that the aim of our answer might be laid on a foundation more uncertain than the uncertainty of his proposition. But in my Natalis I do not wish to assume cunning, I do not believe it: subtle sophistication is far from his simplicity. What then?
16.3CSEL 2:20
ut qui rectam uiam nescit, ubi, ut fit, in plures una diffinditur, [quia uiam nescit] haeret anxius nec singulas audet eligere nec uniuersas probare: sic cui non est ueri stabile iudicium, prout infida suspicio spargitur.
As a man who does not know the right road, when, as happens, one road splits into several, sticks there anxious and dares neither to choose any single one nor to approve them all: so for one who has no firm judgment of the truth, his opinion is scattered as his unreliable suspicion leads.
16.4CSEL 2:20
ita eius dubia opinio dissipatur. nullum itaque miraculum est, si Caecilius identidem in contrariis ac repugnantibus iactetur, aestuet, fluctuetur. quod ne fiat ulterius, conuincam et redarguam. quamuis sint diuersa quae dicta sunt, una ueritate confirmata probataque nec dubitandum ei de cetero est nec uagandum.
So his doubtful opinion is scattered. It is therefore no wonder if Caecilius is tossed again and again among contrary and conflicting ideas, if he seethes and wavers. That this may happen no longer, I will refute and disprove him. Although the things said are various, once one truth is established and proved, he need neither doubt nor wander any longer about the rest.
16.5CSEL 2:20–21
et quoniam meus frater erupit, aegre se ferre, stomachari, indignari, dolere, inliteratos, pauperes, inperitos de rebus caelestibus disputare, sciat omnes homines sine dilectu aetatis, sexus, dignitatis rationis et sensus capaces et habiles procreatos nec fortuna nanctos, sed natura insitos esse sapientiam: quin. ipsos etiam philosophos, uel si qui alii artium repertores in memorias exierunt, priusquam sollertia mentis parerent nominis claritatem, habitos esse plebeios, indoctos, seminudos: adeo diuites facultatibus suis inligatos magis aurum suspicere consuesse quam caelum, nostrates pauperes et commentos esse prudentiam et tradidisse ceteris disciplinam. unde apparet ingenium non dari facultatibus nec studio parari, sed cum ipsa mentis formatione generari.
And since my brother has burst out that he takes it ill, is angry, indignant, and pained that the illiterate, the poor, the unskilled should discuss heavenly things, let him know that all human beings, without distinction of age, sex, or rank, are created capable and fit for reason and understanding, and that they have wisdom not acquired by fortune but implanted by nature. Indeed, even the philosophers themselves, or any others who have gone down in memory as discoverers of the arts, before they won a famous name by the skill of their minds, were counted common, unlearned, half-naked. So true is it that the rich, bound up in their wealth, have been accustomed to look up to gold rather than to heaven, while our kind of men, the poor, have both discovered wisdom and handed on its teaching to others. From this it is clear that talent is not given by wealth nor acquired by study, but is begotten with the very formation of the mind.
16.6CSEL 2:21
nihil itaque indignandum uel dolendum, si quicumque de diuinis quaerat, quae sentiat proferat, cum non disputantis auctoritas, sed disputationis ipsius ueritas requiratur. atque etiam, quo imperitior sermo, hoc inlustrior ratio est, quoniam non fucatur pompa facundiae et gratiae, sed, ut est, recti regula sustinetur.
So there is nothing to be indignant or pained about if anyone at all who inquires about divine things puts forward what he thinks, since what is sought is not the authority of the one arguing but the truth of the argument itself. And indeed, the less skilled the speech, the clearer the reasoning, since it is not painted over with the pomp of eloquence and charm but is upheld, as it is, by the rule of what is right.
Chapter 17
17.1CSEL 2:21
Nec recuso, quod Caecilius adserere inter praecipua conisus est, hominem nosse se et circumspicere debere, quid sit, unde sit, quare sit: utrum elementis concretus an concinnatus atomis, an potius a Deo factus, formatus, animatus.
"Nor do I reject what Caecilius strove to assert among his chief points, that a man ought to know himself and look around to see what he is, whence he is, why he is: whether he is compounded of elements or put together from atoms, or rather made, formed, and given life by God.
17.2CSEL 2:21
quod ipsum explorare et eruere sine uniuersitatis inquisitione non possumus, cum ita cohaerentia, conexa, concatenata sint, ut nisi diuinitatis rationem diligenter excusseris, nescias humanitatis, nec possis pulchre gerere rem ciuilem, nisi cognoueris hanc communem omnium mundi ciuitatem, praecipue cum a feris beluis hoc differamus, quod illa prona in terramque uergentia nihil nata sunt prospicere nisi pabulum. nos, quibus uultus erectus, quibus suspectus in caelum datus est, sermo et ratio, per quae Deum adgnoscimus, sentimus, imitamur, ignorare nec fas nec licet ingerentem sese oculis et sensibus nostris caelestem claritatem:
This very thing we cannot explore and dig out without inquiring into the universe, since things are so coherent, connected, and linked together that unless you have carefully examined the nature of divinity you cannot know that of humanity; nor can you conduct civil affairs well unless you have come to know this common city of the whole world; especially since we differ from wild beasts in this, that they, bent forward and turned toward the earth, are born to look at nothing but their food. We, who have been given an upright face and a gaze toward heaven, speech and reason, by which we recognize, perceive, and imitate God, are neither permitted nor allowed to be ignorant of the heavenly brightness that thrusts itself upon our eyes and senses:
17.3CSEL 2:21
sacrilegii enim uel maximi instar est, humi quaerere quod in sublimi debeas inuenire. quo magis mihi uidentur qui hunc mundi totius ornatum non diuina ratione perfectum uolunt, sed frustis quibusdam temere cohaerentibus conglobatum, mentem, sensum, oculos denique ipsos non habere.
for it is like the greatest sacrilege to seek on the ground what you ought to find on high. So all the more do those seem to me to lack mind, sense, and even eyes themselves, who hold that this ordered beauty of the whole world was not perfected by divine reason but lumped together from certain fragments that happened to stick together.
17.4CSEL 2:21–22
quid enim potest esse tam apertum, tam confessum tamque perspicuum, cum oculos in caelum sustuleris et quae sunt infra circaque lustraueris, quam esse aliquod numen praestantissimae mentis, quo omnis natura inspiretur, moueatur, alatur, gubernetur?
For what can be so plain, so acknowledged, and so clear, when you have raised your eyes to heaven and surveyed what is below and around, as that there is some divine power of surpassing mind, by which all nature is inspired, moved, nourished, and governed?
17.5CSEL 2:22
caelum ipsum uide, quam late tenditur, quam rapide uoluitur, uel quod in noctem astris distinguitur, uel quod in diem sole lustratur: iam scies, quam sit in eo summi moderatoris mira et diuina libratio. uide et annum, ut solis ambitus faciat, et mensem uide, ut luna auctu, senio, labore circumagat.
Look at heaven itself, how widely it stretches, how swiftly it turns, whether at night it is studded with stars or by day lit by the sun: you will know at once how wonderful and divine is the balance of the supreme Ruler in it. Look too at the year, how the circuit of the sun makes it; and look at the month, how the moon drives it round by her waxing, waning, and eclipse.
17.6CSEL 2:22
quid tenebrarum et luminis dicam recursantes uices, ut sit nobis operis et quietis alterna reparatio? relinquenda uero astrologis prolixior de sideribus oratio, uel quod regant cursum nauigandi. uel quod arandi metendique tempus indicant, quae singula non modo ut crearentur, fierent, disponerentur, summi opificis et perfectae rationis eguerunt, uerum etiam sentiri, perspici, intellegi sine summa sollertia et ratione non possunt.
Why should I speak of the recurring alternations of darkness and light, so that we have an alternate renewal of work and rest? A longer account of the stars must be left to the astronomers, whether how they guide the course of sailing or how they indicate the time of ploughing and reaping; each of which not only needed a supreme Maker and perfect reason in order to be created, made, and arranged, but also cannot be perceived, discerned, and understood without the greatest skill and reason.
17.7CSEL 2:22
quid, cum ordo temporum ac frugum stabili uarietate distinguitur, nonne auctorem suum parentemque testatur uer aeque cum suis floribus et aestas cum suis messibus et autumni maturitas grata et hiberna oliuitas necessaria? qui ordo facile turbaretur, nisi maxima ratione consisteret.
What of this: when the order of the seasons and of crops is marked out by a constant variety, do not spring with its flowers and summer with its harvests, and the welcome ripeness of autumn and the necessary olive crop of winter, equally testify to their author and parent? This order would easily be disturbed unless it stood firm by the highest reason.
17.8CSEL 2:22
iam prouidentiae quantae, ne hiemps sola glacie ureret aut sola aestas ardore torreret, autumni et ueris inserere medium temperamentum, ut per uestigia sua anni reuertentis occulti et innoxii transitus laberentur.
Then, how great the providence that, lest winter alone should burn with ice or summer alone scorch with heat, inserted between them the moderating mean of autumn and spring, so that by its own tracks the passages of the returning year might glide by unnoticed and harmless!
17.9CSEL 2:22
mari intende, lege litoris stringitur: quicquid arborum est uide, quam e terrae uisceribus animatur: aspice oceanum, refluit reciprocis aestibus: uide fontes, manant uenis perennibus: fluuios intuere, eunt semper exercitis lapsibus.
Consider the sea: it is bound by the law of the shore. See how every tree receives life from the bowels of the earth. Look at the ocean: it ebbs and flows with alternating tides. See the springs: they flow in perpetual veins. Look at the rivers: they always run in their accustomed courses.
17.10CSEL 2:22
quid loquar apte disposita recta montium, collium flexa, porrecta camporum? quidue animantium loquar aduersus sese tutelam multiformem? alias armatas cornibus, alias dentibus saeptas et fundatas ungulis et spicatas aculeis aut pedum celeritate liberas aut elatione pinnarum?
Why should I speak of the fitting arrangement of the steep mountains, the curves of the hills, the stretches of the plains? Or why speak of the manifold defences of living creatures against one another: some armed with horns, some hedged with teeth and grounded on hooves and spiked with stings, or set free by speed of foot or by soaring on wings?
17.11CSEL 2:22–23
ipsa praecipue formae nostrae pulchritudo Deum fatetur artificem: status rigidus, uultus erectus, oculi in summo uelut in specula constituti et omnes ceteri sensus uelut in arce compositi.
Above all, the very beauty of our own form declares God its craftsman: the upright posture, the raised face, the eyes placed at the top as in a watchtower, and all the other senses arranged as in a citadel.
Chapter 18
18.1CSEL 2:23
Longum est ire per singula. nihil in homine membrorum est, quod non et necessitatis causa sit et decoris, et quod magis mirum est, eadem figura omnibus, sed quaedam unicuique liniamenta deflexa: sic et similes uniuersi uidemur et inter se singuli dissimiles inuenimur. quid nascendi ratio?
"It would be long to go through the details. There is no member in man that is not there both for necessity and for beauty; and, what is more wonderful, all have the same shape, yet each has certain features of his own: so we all seem alike, and yet individually we are found unlike one another. What of the manner of birth?
18.2CSEL 2:23
quid cupido generandi? nonne a Deo data est, et ut ubera partu maturescente lactescant et ut tener fetus ubertate lactei roris adolescat?
What of the desire to beget? Is it not given by God, both that the breasts should fill with milk as the birth ripens, and that the tender offspring should grow by the abundance of the milky dew?
18.3CSEL 2:23
nec uniuersitati solummodo Deus, sed et partibus consulit. Britannia sole deficitur, sed circumfluentis maris tepore recreatur: Aegypti siccitatem temperat Nilus amnis, Euphrates Mesopotamiam pro imbribus pensat, Indus flumen et serere Orientem dicitur et rigare.
Nor does God care only for the whole, but also for the parts. Britain lacks sun, but is refreshed by the warmth of the sea that flows around it; the river Nile tempers the dryness of Egypt; the Euphrates makes up to Mesopotamia for rain; the river Indus is said both to sow and to water the East.
18.4CSEL 2:23
quod si ingressus aliquam domum omnia exculta, disposita, ornata uidisses, utique praeesse ei crederes dominum et illis bonis rebus multo esse meliorem. ita in hac mundi domo cum caelum terramque * * perspicias prouidentiam, ordinem, legem, crede esse uniuersitatis dominum parentemque ipsis sideribus et totius mundi partibus pulchriorem:
If, on entering some house, you saw everything well kept, arranged, and adorned, you would certainly believe that a master was in charge of it and that he was much better than those good things. So in this house of the world, when you see in heaven and earth ... providence, order, and law, believe that there is a Lord and Parent of the universe, more beautiful than the stars themselves and the parts of the whole world.
18.5CSEL 2:23–24
ni forte, quoniam de prouidentia nulla dubitatio est, inquirendum putas, utrum unius imperio an arbitrio plurimorum caeleste regnum gubernetur; quod ipsum non est multi laboris aperire cogitanti imperia terrena, quibus exempla utique de caelo.
Unless perhaps, since there is no doubt about providence, you think it must be asked whether the heavenly kingdom is governed by the command of one or the will of many; and this itself is no great labour to make plain for one who considers earthly empires, for which the examples surely come from heaven.
18.6CSEL 2:24
quando umquam regni societas aut cum fide coepit aut sine cruore desiit? omitto Persas de equorum hinnitu augurantes principatum, et Thebanorum par, mortuam fabulam, transeo. ob pastorum et casae regnum de geminis memoria notissima est. generi et soceri bella toto orbe diffusa sunt, et tam magni imperii duos fortuna non cepit.
When did a partnership in kingship ever begin in good faith or end without bloodshed? I pass over the Persians, who took omens for the throne from the neighing of horses, and I skip the Theban pair, a dead fable. The story of the twins, over a kingdom of shepherds and a hut, is most famous. The wars of son-in-law and father-in-law were spread over the whole world, and the fortune of so great an empire could not hold two.
18.7CSEL 2:24
uide cetera: rex unus apibus, dux unus in gregibus, in armentis rector unus. tu in caelo summam maiestatem diuidi credas et scindi ueri illius ac diuini imperii totam potestatem, cum palam sit parentem omnium Deum nec principium habere nec terminum, qui natiuitatem omnibus praestet, sibi perpetuitatem, qui ante mundum fuerit sibi ipse pro mundo: qui uniuersa, quaecumque sunt, uerbo iubet, ratione dispensat, uirtute consummat.
Look at the rest: bees have one king, flocks one leader, herds one ruler. Would you believe that in heaven the supreme majesty is divided, and the whole power of that true and divine rule split, when it is plain that God, the parent of all, has neither beginning nor end; who gives birth to all things and everlastingness to himself; who before the world was a world to himself; who commands all things whatever that exist by his word, arranges them by his reason, and perfects them by his power?
18.8CSEL 2:24
hic non uideri potest, uisu clarior est, nec conprendi [potest], tactu purior est, nec aestimari, sensibus maior est, infinitus, inmensus et soli sibi tantus, quantus est, notus: nobis uero ad intellectum pectus angustum est, et ideo sic eum digne aestimamus, dum inaestimabilem dicimus.
He cannot be seen: he is too bright for sight. Nor can he be grasped: he is too pure for touch. Nor can he be measured: he is greater than the senses, infinite, immeasurable, and known in his greatness, as great as he is, to himself alone. For us the heart is too narrow to understand him, and so we measure him worthily only when we call him beyond measure.
18.9CSEL 2:24
eloquar quemadmodum sentio: magnitudinem Dei qui se putat nosse, minuit: qui non uult minuere, non nouit. nec nomen Deo quaeras, Deus nomen est.
I will say what I think: he who thinks he knows the greatness of God diminishes it; he who does not wish to diminish it does not know it. Nor should you seek a name for God: God is his name.
18.10CSEL 2:24–25
illic uocabulis opus est, cum per singulos propriis appellationum insignibus multitudo dirimenda est: Deo, qui solus est, Dei uocabulum totum est. quem si patrem dixero, carnalem opineris, si regem, terrenam suspiceris, si dominum, intellegis utique mortalem. aufer additamenta nominum et perspicies eius claritatem.
There is need of words where a multitude must be distinguished into individuals by the proper marks of names; for God, who alone exists, the word 'God' is the whole. If I call him Father, you would think him fleshly; if King, you would suspect him earthly; if Lord, you would certainly understand him as mortal. Take away the additions of names and you will see his brightness.
18.11CSEL 2:25
quid quod omnium de isto habeo consensum? audio uulgus: cum ad caelum manus tendunt, nihil aliud quam <Deum) dicunt et (Deus magnus est et Deus uerus est et (si Deus dederit/ uulgi iste naturalis sermo est an Christiani confitentis oratio? et qui Iouem principem uolunt, falluntur in nomine, sed de una potestate consentiunt.
What of the fact that I have the agreement of all about this? I hear the common people: when they stretch their hands to heaven they say nothing but 'God', and 'God is great', and 'God is true', and 'if God grants'. Is this the natural speech of the common people, or the prayer of a confessing Christian? And those who want Jupiter as chief are mistaken in the name, but agree about the one power.
Chapter 19
19.1CSEL 2:25
Audio poetas quoque unum patrem diuum atque hominum praedicantes, et talem esse mortalium mentem qualem parens omnium diem induxerit. quid Mantuanus Maro?
"I hear the poets also proclaiming one father of gods and men, and that the mind of mortals is such as the parent of all has brought on the day. What of Maro of Mantua?
19.2CSEL 2:25
nonne apertius, proximius, uerius principio ait caelum ac terras et cetera mundi membra spiritus intus alit et infusa mens agitat, inde hominum pecudumque genus et quicquid aliud animalium? idem alio loco mentem istam et spiritum deum nominat. haec enim uerba sunt: deum namque ire per omnes terrasque tractusque maris caelumque profundum, unde homines et pecudes, unde imber et ignes.
Does he not say, more openly, more nearly, and more truly: 'In the beginning a spirit within nourishes the heaven and the lands' and the other members of the world, 'and a mind infused moves' it; 'thence the race of men and beasts' and whatever other living creatures there are? In another place he names this mind and spirit God. For these are his words: 'For God goes through all the lands and the tracts of the sea and the deep heaven, whence men and beasts, whence rain and fire.'
19.3CSEL 2:25
quid aliud et a nobis Deus quam mens et ratio et spiritus praedicatur? recenseamus, si placet, disciplinam philosophorum: deprehendes eos, etsi sermonibus uariis, ipsis tamen rebus in hanc unam coire et conspirare sententiam.
What else is God proclaimed by us to be than mind and reason and spirit? Let us review, if you please, the teaching of the philosophers: you will find that, though in varied words, in substance they come together and agree in this one opinion.
19.4CSEL 2:25–26
omitto illos rudes et ueteres, qui de suis dictis sapientes esse meruerunt. sit Thales Milesius omnium primus, qui primus omnium de caelestibus disputauit. is autem Milesius Thales rerum initium aquam dixit, deum autem eam mentem quae ex aqua cuncta formauerit: [eo altior et sublimior aquae et spiritus ratio, quam ut ab homine potuerit inueniri, a deo traditum]: uides philosophi principalis nobiscum penitus opinionem consonare.
I pass over those rude ancients who earned the name of wise men by their sayings. Let Thales of Miletus be first of all, who first of all discussed heavenly things. This Thales of Miletus said that the beginning of things was water, but that God was that mind which formed all things from water. You see that the opinion of the chief philosopher agrees completely with ours.
19.5CSEL 2:26
Anaximenes deinceps et post Apolloniates Diogenes aera deum statuunt infinitum et inmensum: horum quoque similis de diuinitate consensio est.
Next Anaximenes, and after him Diogenes of Apollonia, make air God, infinite and immeasurable: their view of the divinity is likewise in agreement.
19.6CSEL 2:26
Anaxagorae uero descriptio et motus infinitae mentis deus dicitur, et Pythagorae deus est animus per uniuersam rerum naturam commeans et intentus, ex quo etiam animalium omnium uita capiatur.
Of Anaxagoras, God is said to be the ordering and motion of an infinite mind; and Pythagoras's God is a soul passing through and extending over the whole nature of things, from which the life of all living creatures is also received.
19.7CSEL 2:26
Xenophanen notum est omne infinitum cum mente deum tradere, et Antisthenen populares deos multos, sed naturalem unum praecipuum, Speusippum uim [natn.ralem] animalem, qua omnia regantur, Deum nosse.
It is well known that Xenophanes teaches that God is the whole infinite with mind; and Antisthenes, that the gods of the people are many but the natural one is chief; and Speusippus, that God is a living force by which all things are governed.
19.8CSEL 2:26
quid? Democritus, quamuis atomorum primus inuentor, nonne plerumque naturam quae imagines fundat et intellegentiam deum loquitur? Straton quoque et ipse naturam? etiam Epicurus ille, qui deos aut otiosos fingit aut nullos, naturam tamen superponit.
What of Democritus? Though the first inventor of atoms, does he not often speak of nature, which pours out images, and of intelligence as God? Strato too says nature. Even that Epicurus, who imagines the gods either idle or non-existent, nevertheless places nature above them.
19.9CSEL 2:26–27
Aristoteles uariat et adsignat tamen unam potestatem: nam interim mentem, mundum interim deum dicit, interim mundo deum praeficit. Heraclides Ponticus quoque deo diuinam mentem quamuis uarie adscribit.
Aristotle varies, yet he assigns one power: for at one time he calls mind God, at another the world, at another he sets God over the world. Heraclides of Pontus too, though in various ways, ascribes a divine mind to God.
19.10CSEL 2:27
Theophrastus etiam uariat, alias mundo, alias menti diuinae tribuens principatum. Zenon et Chrysippus et Cleanthes sunt et ipsi multiformes, sed ad unitatem prouidentiae omnes reuoluuntur. Cleanthes enim mentem, modo animum, modo aethera, plerumque rationem deum disseruit. Zenon, eiusdem magister, naturalem legem atque diuinam et aethera interim interdumque rationem uult omnium esse principium; idem interpretando Iunonem aera, Iouem caelum, Neptunum mare, ignem esse Vulcanum et ceteros similiter uulgi deos elementa esse monstrando publicum arguit grauiter et reuincit errorem.
Theophrastus also varies, assigning supremacy now to the world, now to the divine mind. Zeno and Chrysippus and Cleanthes are themselves also manifold, but all come round to the unity of providence. For Cleanthes spoke of God now as mind, now as soul, now as ether, most often as reason. Zeno, his master, holds that the principle of all things is the natural and divine law, and sometimes ether, and at times reason; the same man, by interpreting Juno as air, Jupiter as the sky, Neptune as the sea, Vulcan as fire, and by showing likewise that the other gods of the common people are elements, gravely censures and refutes the public error.
19.11CSEL 2:27
eadem fere Chrysippus: uim diuinam, rationalem naturam et mundum interim et fatalem necessitatem deum credit Zenonemque interpretatione physiologica in Hesiodi, Homeri Orpheique carminibus imitatur.
Chrysippus says much the same: he believes God to be a divine force, a rational nature, and sometimes the world and fatal necessity; and he imitates Zeno with physical interpretation in the poems of Hesiod, Homer, and Orpheus.
19.12CSEL 2:27
Babylonio etiam Diogeni disciplina est exponendi et disserendi, Iouis partum et ortum Mineruae et hoc genus cetera rerum uocabula esse, non deorum.
Diogenes of Babylon also has a method of expounding and discussing according to which the birth of Jupiter, the origin of Minerva, and other things of this kind are names of natural things, not of gods.
19.13CSEL 2:27
nam Socraticus Xenophon formam dei ueri negat uideri posse et ideo quaeri non oportere, Ariston Stoicus conprehendi omnino non posse: uterque maiestatem Dei intellegendi desperatione senserunt.
For Xenophon the Socratic denies that the form of the true God can be seen and says that therefore it ought not to be sought; Ariston the Stoic says that he cannot be comprehended at all: both perceived the majesty of God through despair of understanding it.
19.14CSEL 2:27–28
Platoni apertior de deo et rebus ipsis et nominibus oratio est et quae tota esset caelestis, nisi persuasionis ciuilis nonnumquam admixtione sordesceret. Platoni itaque in Timaeo deus est ipso suo nomine mundi parens, artifex animae, caelestium terrenorumque fabricator, quem et inuenire difficile prae nimia et incredibili potestate, et cum inueneris, in publicum dicere inpossibile praefatur.
Plato's discourse about God is more open both in substance and in names, and it would be wholly heavenly were it not sometimes soiled by an admixture of civic persuasion. So for Plato in the Timaeus God is, by his very name, the parent of the world, the craftsman of the soul, the maker of things heavenly and earthly; and he says at the outset that he is hard to find because of his exceeding and incredible power, and, when you have found him, impossible to speak of in public.
19.15CSEL 2:28
eadem fere sunt ista, quae nostra sunt: nam et Deum nouimus et parentem omnium dicimus et numquam publice nisi interrogati praedicamus.
These are almost the same as our own views: for we both know God and call him the parent of all, and we never proclaim him publicly unless we are questioned.
Chapter 20
20.1CSEL 2:28
Exposui opiniones omnium ferme philosophorum, quibus inlustrior gloria est, Deum unum multis licet designasse nominibus, ut quiuis arbitretur, aut nunc Christianos philosophos esse aut philosophos fuisse iam tunc Christianos.
"I have set out the opinions of almost all the philosophers of more illustrious fame: that they designated one God, though under many names; so that anyone might think either that Christians are now philosophers or that the philosophers were already then Christians.
20.2CSEL 2:28
quod si prouidentia mundus regitur et unius Dei nutu gubernatur, non nos debet antiquitas inperitorum fabellis suis delectata uel capta ad errorem mutui rapere consensus, cum philosophorum suorum sententiis refellatur, quibus et rationis et uetustatis adsistit auctoritas.
But if the world is ruled by providence and governed by the will of one God, antiquity, which delighted in or was captivated by its own little fables of the ignorant, ought not to sweep us into the error of a shared agreement, since it is refuted by the opinions of its own philosophers, who have the support of the authority both of reason and of age.
20.3CSEL 2:28
maioribus enim nostris tam facilis in mendaciis fides fuit, ut temere crediderint etiam talia monstruosa miracula: Scyllam multiplicem, Chimaeram multiformem et Hydram felicibus uulneribus renascentem et Centauros equos suis hominibus inplexos, et quicquid famae licet fingere, illis erat libenter audire.
For our ancestors were so ready to believe lies that they rashly believed even monstrous marvels like these: the many-shaped Scylla, the multiform Chimaera, the Hydra reborn from its fertile wounds, the Centaurs, horses intertwined with their men; and whatever rumour is free to invent, they were glad to hear.
20.4CSEL 2:28
quid illas aniles fabulas, de hominibus aues et feras, t homines et de hominibus arbores atque flores? quae si essent facta, fierent: quia fieri non possunt, ideo nec facta sunt.
What of those old wives' tales, of birds and beasts made from men, and of trees and flowers made from men? If these things had happened, they would still happen; because they cannot happen, therefore they have not happened.
20.5CSEL 2:28–29
similiter t ac uero erga deos quoque maiores nostri inprouidi, creduli rudi simplicitate crediderunt: dum reges suos colunt religiose, dum defunctos eos desiderant in imaginibus uidere, dum gestiunt eorum memorias in statuis detinere, sacra facta sunt quae fuerant adsumpta solacia.
Likewise, in the same way, our ancestors, improvident and credulous, believed with rude simplicity about the gods too: while they worshipped their kings religiously, while they longed to see them after death in images, while they were eager to keep their memory in statues, what had been taken up as consolations became sacred rites.
20.6CSEL 2:29
denique et antequam commerciis orbis pateret et antequam gentes ritus suos moresque miscerent, unaquaeque natio conditorem suum aut ducem inclytum aut reginam pudicam sexu suo fortiorem aut alicuius muneris uel artis repertorem uenerabatur ut ciuem bonae memoriae: sic et defunctis praemium et futuris dabatur exemplum.
Indeed, before the world was opened up by trade and before the nations mixed their rites and customs, each nation venerated its founder, or a famous leader, or a chaste queen braver than her sex, or the discoverer of some gift or art, as a citizen of good memory: so a reward was given to the dead and an example to those to come.
Chapter 21
21.1CSEL 2:29
Lege historicorum scripta uel scripta sapientium: eadem mecum recognosces. ob merita uirtutis aut muneris deos habitos Euhemerus exsequitur, et eorum natales, patrias, sepulcra dinumerat et per prouincias monstrat, Dictaei Iouis et Apollinis Delphici et Phariae Isidis et Cereris Eleusiniae.
"Read the writings of the historians or the writings of the wise: you will recognize the same things with me. Euhemerus sets out that men were counted gods for the merit of their valour or their gifts; and he lists their birthdays, native lands, and tombs, and points them out through the provinces: of Dictaean Jupiter, Delphic Apollo, Pharian Isis, and Eleusinian Ceres.
21.2CSEL 2:29
Prodicus adsumptos in deos loquitur, qui errando inuentis nouis frugibus utilitati hominum profuerunt. in eandem sententiam et Persaeus philosophatur et adnectit inuentas fruges et frugum ipsarum repertores isdem nominibus, ut comicus sermo est, Venerem sine Libero et Cerere frigere.
Prodicus says that those were taken up among the gods who, in their wanderings, benefited mankind by discovering new crops. Persaeus philosophizes to the same effect and links the crops discovered and the discoverers of the crops themselves under the same names, as the comic saying goes, 'Venus is cold without Liber and Ceres.'
21.3CSEL 2:29
Alexander ille Magnus insigni uolumine ad matrem suam scripsit, metu suae potestatis proditum sibi de diis hominibus a sacerdote secretum: illic Vulcanum facit omnium principem, et postea Iouis gentem.
Alexander the Great, in a remarkable book, wrote to his mother that a secret about the gods being men had been betrayed to him by a priest out of fear of his power: there he makes Vulcan the first of all, and afterwards the family of Jupiter.
21.4CSEL 2:29–30
Saturnum enim principem huius generis et examinis omnes scriptores uetustatis Graeci Romanique hominem prodiderunt. scit hoc Nepos et Cassius in historia, et Thallus ac Diodorus hoc loquuntur.
For all the Greek and Roman writers of antiquity have recorded that Saturn, the head of this family and swarm, was a man. Nepos knows this, and Cassius in his history, and Thallus and Diodorus say it.
21.5CSEL 2:30
is itaque Saturnus Creta profugus Italiam metu filii saeuientis accesserat, et Iani susceptus hospitio rudes illos homines et agrestes multa docuit ut Graeculus et politus, litteras inprimere, nummos signare, instrumenta conficere.
This Saturn, then, a fugitive from Crete, had come to Italy for fear of his raging son, and, received by Janus as a guest, as a clever and polished little Greek he taught those rude and rustic men many things: to print letters, to stamp coins, to make tools.
21.6CSEL 2:30
itaque latebram suam, quod tuto latuisset, uocari maluit Latium, et urbem Saturniam idem de suo nomine et Ianiculum Ianus ad memoriam uterque posteritatis reliquerunt.
So he preferred that his hiding place, because he had lain hidden there safely, should be called Latium; and he left the city Saturnia from his own name, and Janus the Janiculum, both for the memory of posterity.
21.7CSEL 2:30
homo igitur utique qui fugit, homo utique qui latuit, et pater hominis et natus ex homine: Terrae enim uel Caeli filius, quod apud Italos esset ignotis parentibus proditus, ut in hodiernum inopinato uisos caelo missos, ignobiles et ignotos terrae filios nominamus.
A man, then, certainly, who fled; a man certainly who hid; both the father of a man and born of a man. For he was called son of Earth or of Heaven because among the Italians he appeared with unknown parents; as to this day we call those who appear unexpectedly 'sent from heaven', and those of low and unknown birth 'sons of the earth'.
21.8CSEL 2:30
eius filius Iuppiter Cretae excluso parente regnauit, illic obiit, illic filios habuit: adhuc antrum Iouis uisitur et sepulcrum eius ostenditur, et ipsis sacris suis humanitatis arguitur.
His son Jupiter reigned in Crete after shutting out his father; there he died, there he had sons. To this day the cave of Jupiter is visited and his tomb is shown, and he is convicted of humanity by his very rites.
21.9CSEL 2:30
Otiosum est ire per singulos et totam seriem generis istius explicare, cum in primis parentibus probata mortalitas in ceteros ipso ordine successionis influxerit, nisi forte post mortem deos fingitis, et perierante Proculo deus Romulus, et Iuba Mauris uolentibus deus est, et diui ceteri reges, qui consecrantur non ad fidem numinis, sed ad honorem emeritae potestatis.
It is idle to go through them one by one and unfold the whole series of that family, since the mortality proved in the first parents has flowed into the rest by the very order of succession; unless perhaps you invent gods after death, and Romulus is a god by the perjury of Proculus, and Juba is a god because the Moors wish it, and the other kings are deified, who are consecrated not to profess belief in their divinity but to honour the power they have held.
21.10CSEL 2:30
inuitis his denique hoc nomen adscribitur: optant in homine perseuerare, fieri se deos metuunt, etsi iam senes nolunt. ergo nec de mortuis dii, quoniam Deus mori non potest, nec de natis, quoniam moritur omne quod nascitur: diuinum autem id est, quod nec ortum habet nec occasum.
In fact, this name is given to them against their will: they wish to go on being men; they fear being made gods, and, though already old, they do not want it. So gods do not come from the dead, since God cannot die, nor from the born, since everything that is born dies; but that is divine which has neither rising nor setting.
21.11CSEL 2:30–31
cur enim, si nati sunt, non hodie quoque nascuntur? nisi forte iam Iuppiter senuit et partus in Iunone defecit et Minerua canuit antequam peperit. an ideo cessauit ista generatio, quoniam nulla huiusmodi fabulis praebetur adsensio?
For why, if they were born, are they not born today too? Unless perhaps Jupiter has now grown old, and childbearing has failed in Juno, and Minerva has gone grey before giving birth. Or has that begetting stopped because no assent is now given to fables of this kind?
21.12CSEL 2:31
ceterum si dii creare possent, interire non possent, plures totis hominibus deos haberemus, ut iam eos nec caelum contineret nec aer caperet nec terra gestaret. unde manifestum est homines illos fuisse, quos et natos legimus et mortuos scimus. t et despicis Isidis ad hirundinem, sistrum, et ad sparsis membris inanem tui Serapidis siue Osiris tumulum.
Besides, if gods could beget and could not perish, we would have more gods than all mankind, so that heaven could not contain them, nor air hold them, nor earth bear them. From this it is plain that those were men whom we both read were born and know died. And look at Isis with her swallow and her sistrum, and at the empty tomb of your Serapis, or Osiris, his limbs scattered.
Chapter 22
22.1CSEL 2:31
Considera denique sacra ipsa et ipsa mysteria: inuenies exitus tristes, fata et funera et luctus atque planctus miserorum deorum. Isis perditum filium cum Cynocephalo suo et caluis sacerdotibus luget, plangit, inquirit, et Isiaci miseri caedunt pectora et dolorem infelicissimae matris imitantur: mox inuento paruulo gaudet Isis,. exultant sacerdotes, Cynocephalus inuentor gloriatur, nec desinunt annis omnibus uel perdere quod inueniunt uel inuenire quod perdunt.
"Consider, then, the sacred rites and the mysteries themselves: you will find sad endings, deaths, funerals, mourning and lamentations of wretched gods. Isis mourns, laments, and searches for her lost son with her Dog-headed companion and her bald priests, and the wretched worshippers of Isis beat their breasts and imitate the grief of that most unhappy mother; soon, the little boy found, Isis rejoices, the priests exult, Dog-head the finder boasts; and every year they never cease either to lose what they find or to find what they lose.
22.2CSEL 2:31
nonne ridiculum est uel lugere quod colas uel colere quod lugeas? haec tamen Aegyptia quondam nunc et sacra Romana sunt. Ceres facibus accensis et serpente circumdata errore subreptam et corruptam Liberam anxia et sollicita uestigat: haec sunt Eleusinia. et quae Iouis sacra sunt?
Is it not ridiculous either to mourn what you worship or to worship what you mourn? Yet these rites, once Egyptian, are now Roman too. Ceres, with lighted torches and girt with a serpent, anxiously and fearfully tracks Libera, stolen away and defiled in her wandering: these are the Eleusinian rites. And what are the rites of Jupiter?
22.3CSEL 2:31
nutrix capella est et auido patri subtrahitur infans, ne uoretur, et Corybantum cymbalis, ne pater audiat uagitus, tinnitus eliditur.
A she-goat is his nurse, and the infant is stolen from his greedy father so as not to be devoured, and the clash of the Corybants' cymbals is beaten out so that the father may not hear his wailing.
22.4CSEL 2:31–32
Cybelae Dindyma pudet dicere, quae adulterum suum infeliciter placitum, quoniam ipsa et deformis et uetula, ut multorum deorum mater, ad stuprum inlicere non poterat, exsecuit, ut deum scilicet faceret eunuchum. propter hanc fabulam Galli eam et semiuiri sui corporis supplicio colunt. haec iam non sunt sacra, tormenta sunt.
Of Cybele of Dindymus I am ashamed to speak: she castrated her lover, who pleased her unhappily, because, being ugly and old herself, as the mother of many gods, she could not entice him to debauchery; so as, of course, to make a god a eunuch. Because of this fable the Galli worship her by mutilating their own bodies, and are half-men. These are no longer rites; they are tortures.
22.5CSEL 2:32
quid? formae ipsae et habitus nonne arguunt ludibria et dedecora deorum uestrorum? Vulcanus claudus deus et debilis, Apollo tot aetatibus leuis, Aesculapius bene barbatus, etsi semper adulescentis Apollinis filius, Neptunus glaucis oculis, Minerua caesiis, bubulis Iuno, pedibus Mercurius alatis, Pan ungulatis, Saturnus compeditis. Ianus uero frontes duas gestat, quasi et auersus incedat: Diana interim est alte succincta uenatrix et Ephesia mammis multis et uberibus exstructa et Triuia trinis capitibus et multis manibus horrifica.
What? Do not the very shapes and appearances of your gods expose their absurdities and disgraces? Vulcan a lame and crippled god; Apollo beardless through so many ages; Aesculapius well bearded, though the son of the ever-youthful Apollo; Neptune with sea-green eyes, Minerva with grey ones, Juno with ox-eyes, Mercury with winged feet, Pan with hooves, Saturn in fetters. Janus bears two faces, as if to walk backwards too; Diana is now a huntress girt high, and as the Ephesian one built up with many breasts and teats, and as the goddess of the crossroads horrible with three heads and many hands.
22.6CSEL 2:32
quid ipse Iuppiter uester? modo inberbis statuitur, modo barbatus locatur; et cum Hammon dicitur, habet cornua, et cum Capitolinus, tunc gerit fulmina, et cum Latiaris, cruore perfunditur, et cum Feretrius, t non auditur. et ne longius multos Ioues obeam, tot sunt Iouis monstra quot nomina.
What of your Jupiter himself? Now he is set up beardless, now placed with a beard; when he is called Hammon he has horns; when Capitoline, then he carries thunderbolts; when Latiaris, he is drenched with blood; when Feretrius, he is not heard. And not to go further round many Jupiters, there are as many monstrosities of Jupiter as there are names.
22.7CSEL 2:32
Erigone suspensa de laqueo est, ut uirgo inter astra ignita sit, Castores alternis moriuntur ut uiuant, Aesculapius ut in deum surgat fulminatur, Hercules ut hominem exuat, Oetaeis ignibus concrematur.
Erigone was hanged from a noose, so that as a virgin she might be set on fire among the stars; the Castors die by turns so as to live; Aesculapius is struck by lightning so as to rise to be a god; Hercules is burned up in the fires of Oeta so as to put off the man.
Chapter 23
23.1CSEL 2:32
Has fabulas et errores et ab inperitis parentibus discimus, et quod est grauius, ipsi studiis et disciplinis elaboramus, carminibus praecipue poetarum, qui plurimum quantum ueritati ipsi sua auctoritate nocuerunt.
"These fables and errors we both learn from ignorant parents and, what is more serious, we ourselves work them up in our studies and schooling, above all in the songs of the poets, who by their authority have done the greatest possible harm to the truth.
23.2CSEL 2:32–33
et Plato ideo praeclare Homerum illum inclytum laudatum et coronatum de ciuitate, quam in sermone instituebat, eiecit.
And so Plato did well to expel from the city he was founding in his dialogue that famous Homer, praised and crowned.
23.3CSEL 2:33
hic enim praecipuus bello Troico deos uestros, etsi ludos facit, tamen in hominum rebus et actibus miscuit, hic eorum paria composuit, sauciauit Venerem, Martem uinxit, uulnerauit, fugauit.
For he above all, in the Trojan War, though he makes sport of them, mixed your gods into human affairs and actions; he matched them in pairs; he wounded Venus, bound, wounded, and put Mars to flight.
23.4CSEL 2:33
Iouem narrat Briareo liberatum, ne adiis ceteris ligaretur, et Sarpedonem filium, quoniam morti non poterat eripere, cruentis imbribus fleuisse, et loro Veneris inlectum flagrantius, quam in adulteras soleat, cum Iunone uxore concumbere.
He tells that Jupiter was freed by Briareus so as not to be bound by the other gods; that he wept tears of blood for his son Sarpedon, because he could not snatch him from death; and that, enticed by the girdle of Venus, he lay with his wife Juno more ardently than he is wont with adulteresses.
23.5CSEL 2:33
alibi Hercules stercora egerit et Apollo Admeto pecus pascit. Laomedonti uero muros Neptunus instituit, nec mercedem operis infelix structor accipit.
Elsewhere Hercules clears out dung, and Apollo feeds the flock for Admetus. Neptune builds walls for Laomedon, and the unhappy builder does not receive the wages for his work.
23.6CSEL 2:33
illic Vulcanus Iouis fulmen cum Aeneae armis in incude fabricatur, cum caelum et fulmina et fulgura longe ante fuerint, quam Iuppiter in Creta nasceretur, et flammas ueri fulminis nec Cyclops potuerit imitari nec ipse Iuppiter non uereri.
There Vulcan forges Jupiter's thunderbolt on the anvil together with the arms of Aeneas, though the sky and thunderbolts and lightnings existed long before Jupiter was born in Crete, and neither could the Cyclops imitate the flames of the true thunderbolt nor Jupiter himself fail to fear them.
23.7CSEL 2:33
quid loquar Martis et Veneris adulterium deprehensum et in Ganymeden Iouis stuprum caelo consecratum? quae omnia in hoc prodita, ut uitiis hominum quaedam auctoritas pararetur.
Why should I speak of the adultery of Mars and Venus caught in the act, and of Jupiter's lust for Ganymede consecrated in heaven? All these things were published for this purpose: that a certain authority might be provided for the vices of men.
23.8CSEL 2:33
his atque huiusmodi figmentis et mendaciis dulcioribus corrumpuntur ingenia puerorum et isdem fabulis inhaerentibus adusque summae aetatis robur adolescunt et in isdem opinionibus miseri consenescunt, cum sit ueritas obuia, sed requirentibus.
By these and similar fictions, and by sweeter lies, the minds of boys are corrupted; and with the same fables clinging to them they grow up to the full strength of mature age, and in the same opinions the wretches grow old, though the truth is ready at hand, but for those who seek it.
23.9CSEL 2:33
Quis ergo dubitat hominum imagines consecratas uulgus orare et publice colere, dum opinio et mens imperitorum artis concinnitate decipitur, auri fulgore praestringitur, argenti nitore et candore eboris hebetatur?
Who then doubts that the common people pray to and publicly worship consecrated images of men, while the opinion and mind of the ignorant is deceived by the elegance of art, dazzled by the gleam of gold, dulled by the shine of silver and the whiteness of ivory?
23.10CSEL 2:33
quodsi in animum quis inducat, tormentis quibus et quibus machinis simulacrum omne formetur, erubescet timere se materiem ab artifice, ut deum faceret, inlusam.
But if anyone considers with what tortures and what machines every image is formed, he will blush to fear material mocked by the craftsman in order to make a god.
23.11CSEL 2:33–34
deus enim ligneus, rogi fortasse uel infelicis stipitis portio, suspenditur, caeditur, dolatur, runcinatur.
For a wooden god, perhaps a piece of a pyre or of an ill-omened log, is hung up, cut, hewn, and planed.
23.12CSEL 2:34
et deus aereus uel argenteus de immundo uasculo, ut accepimus factum Aegyptio regi, conflatur, tunditur malleis et in incudibus figuratur: et lapideus deus caeditur, scalpitur et ab impurato homine leuigatur, nec sentit suae natiuitatis iniuriam, ita ut nec postea de uestra ueneratione culturam: nisi forte nondum deus saxum est uel lignum uel argentum.
And a god of bronze or silver is melted down, as we have learned was done for an Egyptian king, from an unclean little vessel, beaten with hammers, and shaped on anvils; and a stone god is cut, carved, and polished by some defiled man, and he does not feel the injury of his birth, any more than he afterwards feels worship from your veneration: unless perhaps the stone or wood or silver is not yet a god.
23.13CSEL 2:34
quando igitur hic nascitur? ecce funditur, fabricatur, sculpitur: nondum deus est: ecce plumbatur, construitur, erigitur: nec adhuc deus est: ecce ornatur, consecratur, oratur: tunc postremo deus est, cum homo illum uoluit et dedicauit.
When, then, is this god born? See, it is cast, fabricated, sculpted: it is not yet a god. See, it is soldered with lead, put together, set up: it is still not a god. See, it is adorned, consecrated, prayed to: then at last it is a god, when man has willed it and dedicated it.
Chapter 24
24.1CSEL 2:34
Quanto uerius de diis uestris animalia muta naturaliter iudicant! mures, hirundines, milui non sentire eos sciunt: rodunt, inculcant, insident, ac nisi abigatis, in ipso dei uestri ore nidificant: araneae uero faciem eius intexunt et de ipso capite sua fila suspendunt.
"How much more truly do dumb animals judge naturally about your gods! Mice, swallows, and kites know that they have no feeling: they gnaw them, trample them, sit on them, and unless you drive them off they build their nests in your god's very mouth; and spiders weave over its face and hang their threads from its very head.
24.2CSEL 2:34
uos tergetis, mundatis, eraditis et illos, quos facitis protegitis, et timetis, dum unusquisque uestrum non cogitat prius se debere deum nosse quam colere, dum inconsulte gestiunt parentibus oboedire, dum fieri malunt alieni erroris accessio quam sibi credere, dum nihil ex his quae timent norunt. sic in auro et argento auaritia consecrata est, sic statuarum inanium consignata forma, sic nata Romana superstitio: quorum ritus si percenseas, ridenda quam multa, quam multa etiam miseranda sunt!
You wipe, clean, and scrape them, and you protect and fear those whom you make; while none of you considers that he ought to know God before he worships him; while they are rashly eager to obey their parents; while they prefer to become an addition to another's error rather than trust themselves; while they know nothing of what they fear. So in gold and silver avarice has been consecrated; so the form of empty statues has been set up; so Roman superstition was born. If you review its rites, how many are ridiculous, how many even pitiable!
24.4CSEL 2:35
quid, qui sanguine suo libat et uulneribus suis supplicat, non profanus melius esset quam sic religiosus? aut cui testa sunt obscena demessa, quo modo deum non uiolat qui hoc modo placat, cum si eunuchos deus uellet, posset procreare, non facere? quis non intellegat male sanos et uanae et perditae mentis in ista desipere et ipsam errantium turbam mutua sibi patrocinia praestare? hic defensio communis furoris est furentium multitudo.
What of him who makes libation with his own blood and supplicates with his own wounds: would he not be better profane than religious in this way? Or he whose private parts are cut off: how does he not outrage God who appeases him in this way, since if God wanted eunuchs he could have them born so, not make them? Who would not see that those of unsound, vain, and ruined mind are raving in these things, and that the very crowd of the erring provides mutual protection for itself? Here the defence of the common madness is the multitude of the mad.
24.8CSEL 2:34–35
nudi cruda hieme discurrunt, alii incedunt pilleati, scuta uetera circumferunt, pelles caedunt, mendicantes uicatim deos ducunt: quaedam fana semel anno adire permittunt, quaedam in totum nefas uisere: est quo uiro non licet, nonnulla absque feminis sacra sunt, etiam seruo quibusdam caerimoniis interesse piaculare flagitium est: alia sacra coronat uniuira, alia multiuira, et magna religione conquiritur quae plura possit adulteria numerare.
Naked, they run about in the raw winter; others go about wearing felt caps, carry around old shields, beat hides, lead gods begging from street to street. Some shrines they allow to be visited once a year, some it is altogether unlawful to see; there is one where a man may not go; some rites are without women; for a slave even to be present at certain ceremonies is an offence needing expiation. Some rites are crowned by a woman married once, others by a woman married many times, and with great religious care they seek out the one who can count the most adulteries.
Chapter 25
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At tamen ista ipsa superstitio Romanis dedit, auxit, fundauit imperium, cum non tam uirtute quam religione et pietate pollerent. nimirum insignis et nobilis iustitia Romana ab ipsis imperii nascentis incunabulis auspicata est.
"'But still, this very superstition gave, increased, and established empire for the Romans, since they were strong not so much by valour as by religion and piety.' No doubt the distinguished and noble justice of Rome was inaugurated from the very cradle of the infant empire!
25.2CSEL 2:35
nonne in ortu suo et scelere: collecti et muniti immanitatis suae terrore creuerunt? nam asylo prima plebs congregata est: confluxerant perditi, facinerosi, incesti, sicarii, proditores, et ut ipse Romulus imperator et rector populum suum facinore praecelleret, parricidium fecit. haec prima sunt auspicia religiosae ciuitatis.
Did they not at their origin gather together in crime and grow strong, protected by the terror of their own savagery? For the first populace was assembled in an asylum: the ruined, the criminal, the incestuous, assassins, traitors had flowed together; and, so that Romulus himself, their commander and ruler, might surpass his people in crime, he committed fratricide. These are the first auspices of the religious city.
25.3CSEL 2:35
mox alienas uirgines iam desponsatas, iam destinatas et nonnullas de matrimonio mulierculas sine more rapuit, uiolauit, inlusit, et cum earum parentibus, id est cum soceris suis bellum miscuit, propinquum sanguinem fudit. quid inreligiosius, quid audacius, quid ipsa sceleris confidentia turpius?
Soon he carried off, violated, and mocked other men's maidens, some already betrothed, some promised, and some young wives out of their marriages, against all custom; and he stirred up war with their parents, that is, with his own fathers-in-law, and shed kindred blood. What is more irreligious, more audacious, more shameful than this very confidence in crime?
25.4CSEL 2:35–36
iam finitimos agro pellere, ciuitates proximas euertere cum templis et altaribus, captos cogere, damnis alienis et suis sceleribus adolescere cum Romulo regibus ceteris et posteris ducibus disciplina communis est.
Then to drive neighbours from their land, to overthrow nearby cities with their temples and altars, to force captives into submission, to grow by others' losses and their own crimes: this is the common practice of Romulus, of the other kings, and of the generals after them.
25.5CSEL 2:36
ita quicquid Romani tenent, colunt, possident, audaciae praeda est: templa omnia de manubiis, id est de ruinis urbium, de spoliis deorum, de caedibus sacerdotum: hoc insultare et inludere est, uictis religionibus seruire, captiuas eas post uictorias adorare. nam adorare quae manu ceperis, sacrilegium est consecrare, non numina.
So whatever the Romans hold, cultivate, and possess is the plunder of audacity: all their temples come from the spoils of war, that is, from the ruins of cities, the plunder of gods, the slaughter of priests. This is to insult and mock, to serve conquered religions, to adore them as captives after victories. For to adore what you have taken by force is to consecrate sacrilege, not divinities.
25.6CSEL 2:36
totiens ergo Romanis inpiatum est quotiens triumphatum, tot de diis spolia quot de gentibus sunt tropaea. igitur Romani non ideo tanti, quod religiosi, sed quod inpune sacrilegi.
So as often as the Romans triumphed, so often they committed impiety; there are as many spoils taken from gods as trophies taken from nations. The Romans, then, are not so great because they are religious, but because they are sacrilegious with impunity.
25.7CSEL 2:36
neque enim potuerunt in ipsis bellis deos adiutores habere, aduersus quos arma rapuerunt, sed quos prostrauerant, detriumphatos colere coeperunt. quid autem isti dii pro Romanis possunt, qui nihil pro suis aduersus eorum arma ualuerunt? Romanorum enim uernaculos deos nouimus: Romulus, Picus, Tiberinus et Consus et Pilumnus ac Volumnus dii.
For in the wars themselves they could not have as helpers the gods against whom they took up arms; but those whom they had overthrown they began to worship once triumphed over. And what can these gods do for the Romans, who had no power for their own people against Roman arms? For we know the native gods of the Romans: Romulus, Picus, Tiberinus, and Consus, and Pilumnus and Volumnus are gods.
25.8CSEL 2:36
Cloacinam Tatius et inuenit et coluit, Pauorem Hostilius atque Pallorem, mox a nescio quo Febris dedicata: haec alumna urbis istius superstitio, morbi et malae ualetudines. sane et Acca Larentia et Flora, meretrices propudiosae, inter morbos Romanorum et deos computandae.
Tatius both discovered and worshipped Cloacina; Hostilius Fear and Pallor; then Fever was dedicated by someone or other. This is the superstition nursed by that city: diseases and ill health. Surely Acca Larentia and Flora too, shameless prostitutes, must be counted among the diseases and the gods of the Romans.
25.9CSEL 2:36
isti scilicet aduersus ceteros, qui in gentibus colebantur, Romanorum imperium protulerunt: neque enim eos aduersum suos homines uel Mars Thracius uel Iuppiter Creticus uel Iuno nunc Argiua, nunc Samia, nunc Poena, uel Diana Taurica uel Mater Idaea uel Aegyptia illa non numina, sed portenta iuuerunt.
These, of course, extended the Roman empire against the others that were worshipped among the nations! For neither Thracian Mars, nor Cretan Jupiter, nor Juno, now of Argos, now of Samos, now of Carthage, nor Taurian Diana, nor the Idaean Mother, nor those Egyptian not divinities but monstrosities, helped them against their own people.
25.10CSEL 2:36–37
nisi forte apud istos maior castitas uirginum aut religio sanctior sacerdotum, cum paene in pluribus uirginibus, set quae inconsultius se uiris miscuissent, Vesta sane nesciente, sit incestum uindicatum, in residuis inpunitatem fecerit non castitas tutior, sed inpudicitia felicior.
Unless perhaps among these Romans the virgins are more chaste or the priests holier in religion, when in very many of the virgins (those, that is, who had rather incautiously had relations with men), Vesta certainly not knowing, unchastity has been punished, while in the rest it was not safer chastity but luckier unchastity that brought impunity.
25.11CSEL 2:37
ubi autem magis a sacerdotibus quam inter aras et delubra conducuntur stupra, tractantur lenocinia, adulteria meditantur? frequentius denique in aedituorum cellulis quam in ipsis lupanaribus flagrans libido defungitur.
And where are debaucheries arranged by priests, pimping transacted, and adulteries plotted more than among the altars and shrines? In fact, burning lust is satisfied more often in the little rooms of the temple-keepers than in the brothels themselves.
25.12CSEL 2:37
et tamen ante eos Deo dispensante diu regna tenuerunt Assyrii, Medi, Persae, Graeci etiam et Aegyptii, cum Pontifices et Aruales et Salios et Vestales et Augures non haberent nec pullos cauea reclusos, quorum cibo uel fastidio res publica summa regeretur.
And yet before them, by God's ordering, the Assyrians, Medes, Persians, and also the Greeks and Egyptians held kingdoms for a long time, though they did not have Pontiffs and Arval Brothers and Salii and Vestals and Augurs, nor chickens shut up in a coop, by whose eating or refusing to eat the highest affairs of state were governed.
Chapter 26
26.1CSEL 2:37
Iam enim uenio ad illa auspicia et auguria Romana, quae summo: labore collecta testatus es et paenitenter omissa. et obseruata feliciter.
"Now I come to those Roman auspices and auguries which you have collected with the greatest labour and declared to have been neglected to men's regret and observed with good fortune.
26.2CSEL 2:37
Clodius scilicet et Flaminius et Iunius ideo exercitus perdiderunt, quod pullorum solistimum tripudium exspectandum non putauerunt. quid Regulus?
Clodius, of course, and Flaminius and Junius lost their armies because they did not think they should wait for the favourable omen of the chickens' feeding. What of Regulus?
26.3CSEL 2:37
nonne auguria seruauit et captus est? Mancinus religionem tenuit, et sub iugum missus est et deditus. pullos edaces habuit et Paulus, apud Cannas tamen cum maiore populi Romani parte prostratus est.
Did he not observe the auguries, and was captured? Mancinus kept religion, and was sent under the yoke and surrendered. Paulus too had greedy chickens, yet at Cannae he was laid low with the greater part of the Roman people.
26.4CSEL 2:37
Gaius Caesar, ne ante brumam in Africam nauigia transmitteret, auguriis et auspiciis renitentibus, spreuit: eo acus et nauigauit et uicit.
Gaius Caesar, when the auguries and auspices opposed his sending ships across to Africa before the winter solstice, spurned them: all the more easily he both sailed and won.
26.5CSEL 2:37–38
quae uero et quanta de oraculis prosequar? post mortem Amphiaraus uentura respondit, qui proditum iri se ob monile ab uxore nesciuit. Tiresias caecus futura uidebat, qui praesentia non uidebat.
What, and how many, things shall I recount about the oracles? Amphiaraus gave answers about the future after his death, who did not know that he would be betrayed by his wife for a necklace. Tiresias, blind, saw the future, who did not see the present.
26.6CSEL 2:38
de Pyrro Ennius Apollinis Pythi responsa confinxit, cum iam Apollo uersus facere desisset: cuius tunc cautum illud et ambiguum defecit oraculum, cum et politiores homines et minus creduli esse coeperunt. et Demosthenes, quod sciret responsa simulata, φιλιππίζειν Pythiam querebatur.
Ennius invented the answers of Pythian Apollo about Pyrrhus, when Apollo had already stopped making verses; that cautious and ambiguous oracle of his failed at the time when men began to be both more refined and less credulous. And Demosthenes, because he knew the answers were feigned, complained that the Pythia was 'philippizing'.
26.7CSEL 2:38
At nonnumquam tamen ueritatem uel auspicia uel oracula tetigerunt. quamquam inter multa mendacia uideri possit industriam casus imitatus, adgrediar tamen fontem ipsum erroris et prauitatis, unde omnis caligo ista manauit, et altius eruere aperire manifestius. spiritus sunt insinceri, uagi, a caelesti uigore terrenis labibus et cupiditatibus degrauati.
'But sometimes auspices or oracles have touched the truth.' Although among many lies chance may seem to have imitated design, yet I will approach the very source of error and depravity, from which all this darkness has flowed, and dig it out more deeply and lay it open more plainly. There are spirits, impure and wandering, weighed down from heavenly vigour by earthly stains and desires.
26.8CSEL 2:38
isti igitur spiritus, posteaquam simplicitatem substantiae suae onusti et inmersi uitiis perdiderunt, ad solacium calamitatis suae non desinunt perditi iam perdere et deprauati errorem prauitatis infundere et alienati a Deo inductis prauis religionibus a Deo segregare.
These spirits, then, after they lost the simplicity of their substance, burdened and sunk in vices, do not cease, for the consolation of their calamity, being ruined themselves, to ruin others, and, being depraved, to pour in the error of depravity, and, estranged from God, to separate others from God by introducing depraved religions.
26.9CSEL 2:38
eos spiritus daemonas esse poetae sciunt, philosophi disserunt, Socrates nouit, qui ad nutum et arbitrium adsidentis sibi daemonis uel declinabat negotia uel petebat.
The poets know that these spirits are demons, the philosophers discuss it, Socrates knew it, who at the nod and will of the demon attending him either declined or pursued affairs.
26.10CSEL 2:38
magi quoque non tantum sciunt daemonas, sed etiam quicquid miraculi ludunt, per daemonas faciunt: illis adspirantibus et infundentibus praestigias edunt, uel quae non sunt uideri, uel quae sunt non uideri.
The magicians too not only know demons, but whatever marvel they perform in sport, they do through demons: by their breathing upon them and pouring in, they produce illusions, making what is not appear to be, or what is appear not to be.
26.11CSEL 2:38
eorum magorum et eloquio et negotio primus Hostanes et uerum Deum merita maiestate prosequitur et angelos, id est ministros et nuntios Dei sed ueri, eius uenerationi nouit adsistere, ut et nutu ipso et uultu domini territi contremescant. idem etiam daemonas prodidit terrenos, uagos, humanitatis inimicos.
Of these magicians, the first both in eloquence and in practice, Hostanes, both honours the true God with the majesty due him and knows that angels, that is, ministers and messengers of the true God, stand by to venerate him, so that they tremble, terrified at the very nod and look of their Lord. The same man also made known that demons are earthly, wandering, enemies of humanity.
26.12CSEL 2:38–39
quid Plato, qui inuenire Deum negotium credidit, nonne et angelos sine negotio narrat et daemonas? et in Symposio etiam suo naturam daemonum exprimere conititur? uult enim esse substantiam inter mortalem inmortalemque, id est inter corpus et spiritum mediam, terreni ponderis et caelestis leuitatis admixtione concretam, ex qua monet etiam t nos procupidinem amoris, et dicit informari et inlabi pectoribus. humanis et sensum mouere et adfectus fingere et ardorem cupiditatis infundere.
What of Plato, who thought it a labour to find God? Does he not also speak of angels and demons without labour? And in his Symposium too does he not strive to express the nature of demons? For he holds it to be a substance between mortal and immortal, that is, midway between body and spirit, compounded of a mixture of earthly weight and heavenly lightness; from which he also warns us of the desire of love, and says that it is formed and slips into human hearts, moves the senses, shapes the affections, and pours in the ardour of desire.
Chapter 27
27.1CSEL 2:39
Isti igitur impuri spiritus, daemones, ut ostensum a magis, a philosophis et a Platone, sub statuis et imaginibus consecratis delitescunt et adflatu suo auctoritatem quasi praesentis numinis consequuntur, dum inspirant interim uates, dum fanis inmorantur, dum nonnumquam extorum fibras animant, auium uolatus gubernant, sortes regunt, oracula efficiunt, falsis pluribus inuoluta.
"These impure spirits, then, the demons, as the magicians, the philosophers, and Plato have shown, lurk under consecrated statues and images, and by their breath gain the authority of a divinity as it were present, while they sometimes inspire prophets, dwell in shrines, sometimes animate the fibres of entrails, govern the flights of birds, direct the lots, and produce oracles wrapped in many falsehoods.
27.2CSEL 2:39–40
nam et falluntur et fallunt, ut et nescientes sinceram ueritatem et quam sciunt, in perditionem sui non confitentes. sic a caelo deorsum grauant et a Deo uero ad materias auocant, uitam turbant, somnos inquietant, inrepentes etiam corporibus occulte ut spiritus tenues morbos fingunt, terrent mentes, membra distorquent, ut ad cultum sui cogant, ut nidore altarium uel hostiis pecudum saginati, remissis quae constrinxerant, curasse uideantur.
For they are both deceived and deceive, being both ignorant of the pure truth and, what truth they know, not confessing it, to their own ruin. So they drag men down from heaven and call them away from the true God to material things; they disturb life, trouble sleep; creeping secretly into bodies too, as subtle spirits, they feign diseases, terrify minds, twist limbs, so as to force men to worship them; so that, fattened by the smoke of altars and the victims of cattle, when they have loosed what they had bound, they may seem to have cured it.
27.3CSEL 2:40
hinc sunt et furentes, quos in publicum uidetis excurrere, uates et ipsi absque templo, sic insaniunt, sic bacchantur, sic rotantur: par et in illis instigatio daemonis, sed argumentum dispar furoris.
From them come also the raving people whom you see rushing out in public, prophets too, though without a temple; so they rave, so they revel like Bacchants, so they whirl about: in them too there is the same incitement of the demon, but a different occasion for their frenzy.
27.4CSEL 2:40
de ipsis etiam illa, quae paulo ante tibi dicta sunt, ut Iuppiter ludos repeteret ex somnio, ut cum equis Castores uiderentur, ut cingulum matronae nauicula sequeretur.
From them also come those things that were told you a little earlier: that Jupiter demanded the repetition of the games through a dream, that the Castors were seen with their horses, that the little ship followed a matron's girdle.
27.5CSEL 2:40
haec omnia sciunt pleraque pars uestrum ipsos daemonas de semetipsis confiteri, quotiens a nobis tormentis uerborum et orationis incendiis de corporibus exiguntur.
Most of you know all this: that the demons themselves confess about themselves whenever they are driven out of bodies by us with the torments of our words and the fires of our prayer.
27.6CSEL 2:40
ipse Saturnus et Serapis et Iuppiter et quicquid daemonum colitis, uicti dolore quod sunt eloquuntur, nec utique in turpitudinem sui, nonnullis praesertim uestrum adsistentibus, mentiuntur.
Saturn himself, and Serapis, and Jupiter, and whatever demons you worship, overcome by pain, speak out what they are; and they certainly do not lie to their own disgrace, especially when some of you are standing by.
27.7CSEL 2:40
ipsis testibus, esse eos daemonas, credite fassis: adiurati enim per Deum uerum et solum inuiti miseris corporibus inhorrescunt et uel exiliunt statim uel euanescunt gradatim, prout fides patientis adiuuat aut gratia curantis adspirat. sic Christianos de proximo fugitant, quos longe in coetibus per uos lacessebant.
Believe them when they confess, on their own testimony, that they are demons: for when adjured by the true and only God, they shudder unwillingly in the wretched bodies, and either leap out at once or vanish gradually, as the faith of the sufferer helps or the grace of the healer breathes upon them. So they flee Christians close at hand, whom at a distance, in your assemblies, they harassed through you.
27.8CSEL 2:40
ideo inserti mentibus imperitorum odium nostri serunt occulte per timorem: naturale est enim et odisse quem timeas, et quem metueris infestare, si possis. sic occupant animos et obstruunt pectora, ut ante nos incipiant homines odisse quam nosse, ne cognitos aut imitari possint aut damnare non possint.
So, planted in the minds of the ignorant, they secretly sow hatred of us through fear; for it is natural both to hate one whom you fear and to attack, if you can, one whom you dread. So they take possession of souls and block up hearts, that men may begin to hate us before they know us, lest, knowing us, they either be able to imitate us or be unable to condemn us.
Chapter 28
28.1CSEL 2:40
Quam autem inicum sit, de incognitis et inexploratis iudicare, quod facitis, nobis ipsis paenitentibus credite.
"But how unjust it is to judge about things unknown and unexamined, as you do, believe us who ourselves repent of it.
28.2CSEL 2:40–41
et nos enim idem fecimus et eadem uobiscum quondam adhuc caeci et hebetes sentiebamus, quasi Christiani monstra colerent, infantes uorarent, conuiuia incesta miscerent, nec intellegebamus ab his fabulas istas semper uentilari et numquam uel inuestigari uel probari, nec tanto tempore aliquem existere qui proderet, non tantum facti ueniam, uerum etiam indicii gratiam consecuturum: malum autem adeo non esse, ut Christianus reus nec erubesceret nec timeret, et unum solummodo, quod non ante fuerit, paeniteret.
For we too did the same and once thought the same as you, while still blind and dull: that Christians worshipped monsters, devoured infants, and joined in incestuous banquets. Nor did we understand that these fables were always being bandied about by them and never either investigated or proved; that in so long a time no one had come forward to betray them, though he would have obtained not only pardon for the deed but even a reward for informing; and that it was so far from being evil that a Christian on trial neither blushed nor feared, and repented of one thing only, that he had not been one before.
28.3CSEL 2:41
nos tamen cum sacrilegos aliquos et incestos, parricidas etiam defendendos et tuendos suscipiebamus, hos nec audiendos in totum putabamus, nonnumquam etiam miserantes eorum crudelius saeuiebamus, ut torqueremus confitentes ad negandum, uidelicet ne perirent, exercentes in his peruersam quaestionem, non quae uerum erueret, sed quae mendacium cogeret.
Yet when we undertook to defend and protect some who were sacrilegious and incestuous, even parricides, we thought these people should not be heard at all; sometimes even, pitying them, we raged more cruelly, so as to torture those who confessed into denying, that is, so that they would not perish, exercising on them a perverse inquiry, not one that would dig out the truth but one that would compel a lie.
28.4CSEL 2:41
et si qui infirmior malo pressus et uictus Christianum se negasset, fauebamus ei, quasi eierato nomine iam omnia facta sua illa negatione purgaret.
And if anyone weaker, pressed and overcome by suffering, denied that he was a Christian, we favoured him, as if, the name abjured, he had cleansed all his deeds by that denial.
28.5CSEL 2:41
adgnoscitisne eadem nos sensisse et egisse, quae sentitis et geritis? cum si ratio, non instigatio daemonis iudicaret, urguendi magis, non ut diffiterentur se Christianos, sed ut de incestis stupris, de inpiatis sacris, de infantibus immolatis faterentur.
Do you recognize that we thought and did the same things that you think and do? Whereas, if reason and not the incitement of a demon were judging, they should rather have been pressed, not to deny that they were Christians, but to confess about incestuous debaucheries, impious rites, and infants sacrificed.
28.6CSEL 2:41
his enim et huiusmodi fabulis idem daemones ad execrationis horrorem imperitorum aures aduersus nos referserant. nec tamen mirum, quoniam fama, quae semper insparsis mendaciis alitur, ostensa ueritate consumitur.
For with these and similar fables the same demons had filled the ears of the ignorant against us, to make them shudder with abhorrence. Nor is this surprising, since rumour, which is always nourished by lies scattered abroad, is consumed when the truth is shown.
28.7CSEL 2:41–42
sic est negotium daemonum; ab ipsis enim rumor falsus et seritur et fouetur. inde est quod audire te dicis, caput asini rem nobis esse diuinam. quis tam stultus, ut hoc colat? quis stultior, ut hoc coli credat? nisi quod uos et totos asinos in stabulis cum uestra uel sua Epona consecratis et eosdem asinos cum Iside religiose decoratis, item boum capita et capita ueruecum et immolatis et colitis, de capro etiam et homine mixtos deos et leonum et canum uultibus deos dedicatis.
Such is the business of demons; for false rumour is both sown and cherished by them. Hence comes what you say you hear, that an ass's head is a sacred thing to us. Who is so foolish as to worship this? Who more foolish than to believe it is worshipped? Unless it is that you consecrate whole asses in stables together with your, or their, Epona, and religiously decorate the same asses along with Isis; you also sacrifice and worship the heads of oxen and of rams; you dedicate gods mixed of goat and man, and gods with the faces of lions and dogs.
28.8CSEL 2:42
nonne et Apim bouem cum Aegyptiis adoratis et pascitis? nec eorum sacra damnatis instituta serpentibus, crocodillis, beluis ceteris et auibus et piscibus, quorum aliquem deum si quis occiderit, etiam capite punitur.
Do you not, with the Egyptians, worship and feed the bull Apis? And you do not condemn their rites established for serpents, crocodiles, other beasts, and birds and fish; if anyone kills one of these gods, he is even punished with death.
28.9CSEL 2:42
idem Aegyptii cum plerisque uobis non magis Isidem quam ceparum acrimonias metuunt, nec Serapidem magis quam strepitus per pudenda corporis expressos contremescunt.
The same Egyptians, along with many of you, fear Isis no more than the sharpness of onions, and tremble at Serapis no more than at the noises expelled through the shameful parts of the body.
28.10CSEL 2:42
etiam ille, qui de adoratis sacerdotis uirilibus aduersum nos fabulatur, temptat in nos conferre quae sua sunt. ista enim inpudicitiae eorum forsitan sacra sint, apud quos sexus omnis membris omnibus prostat, apud quos tota inpudicitia uocatur urbanitas, qui scortorum licentiae inuident, qui medios uiros lambunt, libidinoso ore inguinibus inhaerescunt, homines malae linguae etiam si tacerent, quos prius taedescit impudicitiae suae quam pudescit.
Also he who tells fables against us about the worship of the priest's genitals tries to transfer to us what is his own. For these things may perhaps be the sacred rites of the impurity of those among whom every sex is prostituted in every member, among whom all impurity is called refinement, who envy the licence of harlots, who lick men in the middle, who cling with lustful mouth to the groin, men of evil tongue even if they were silent, who grow weary of their impurity before they are ashamed of it.
28.11CSEL 2:42
pro nefas! id in se mali facinoris admittunt, quod nec aetas potest pati mollior nec cogi seruitus durior.
O horror! They allow in themselves such wicked deeds as neither a softer age can bear nor the harshest slavery be forced to endure.
Chapter 29
29.1CSEL 2:42
Haec et huiusmodi propudia nobis non licet nec audire, etiam pluribus turpe defendere est: ea enim de castis fingitis et pudicis, quae fieri non crederemus, nisi de uobis probaretis.
"These and similar shameful things we are not allowed even to hear; even to defend ourselves is disgraceful to many. For you invent about chaste and modest people things we would not believe could happen, unless you proved them about yourselves.
29.2CSEL 2:42
nam quod religioni nostrae hominem noxium et crucem eius adscribitis, longe de uicinia ueritatis erratis, qui putatis Deum credi aut meruisse noxium aut potuisse terrenum.
For when you attribute to our religion a guilty man and his cross, you wander far from the neighbourhood of the truth, in thinking that a guilty man deserved, or an earthly man could have, to be believed God.
29.3CSEL 2:42
ne ille miserabilis, cuius in homine mortali spes omnis innititur; totum enim eius auxilium cum extincto homine finitur.
Wretched indeed is he whose whole hope rests on a mortal man; for all his help comes to an end with the man's death.
29.4CSEL 2:42
Aegyptii sane hominem sibi quem colant eligunt: illum unum propitiant, illum de omnibus consulunt, illi uictimas caedunt. at ille, qui ceteris deus, sibi certe homo est, uelit nolit: nec enim conscientiam suam decipit, si fallit alienam.
The Egyptians, to be sure, choose a man for themselves to worship: him alone they propitiate, him they consult about everything, to him they slay victims. Yet he who is a god to others is certainly a man to himself, whether he will or not; for he does not deceive his own conscience, even if he deceives another's.
29.5CSEL 2:42–43
etiam principibus et regibus, non ut magnis et electis uiris, sicut fas est, sed ut deis turpiter adulatio falsa blanditur, cum et praeclaro uiro honor uerius et optimo amor dulcius praebeatur. sic eorum numen uocant, ad imagines supplicant, genium, id est daemonem eorum implorant, et est eis tutius per Iouis genium peierare quam regis. cruces etiam nec colimus nec optamus.
Even to princes and kings false flattery shamefully fawns, not as to great and chosen men, as is right, but as to gods, although honour is more truly given to a distinguished man and love more sweetly to the best. So they call upon their divinity, make supplication to their images, implore their genius, that is, their demon; and it is safer for them to swear falsely by the genius of Jupiter than by that of the king. Crosses, moreover, we neither worship nor wish for.
29.6CSEL 2:43
uos plane, qui ligneos deos consecratis, cruces ligneas ut deorum uestrorum partes forsitan adoratis.
It is you, plainly, who consecrate wooden gods, who perhaps adore wooden crosses as parts of your gods.
29.7CSEL 2:43
nam et signa ipsa et cantabra et uexilla castrorum quid aliud quam inauratae cruces sunt et ornatae? tropaea uestra uictricia non tantum simplicis crucis faciem, uerum et adfixi hominis imitantur.
For what else are your standards themselves, and the banners and flags of the camps, than crosses gilded and adorned? Your victory trophies imitate the shape not only of a simple cross but also of a man fixed to it.
29.8CSEL 2:43
signum sane crucis naturaliter uisimus in naui, cum uelis tumentibus uehitur, cum expansis palmulis labitur: et cum erigitur iugum, crucis signum est, et cum homo porrectis manibus Deum pura mente ueneratur. ita signo crucis aut ratio naturalis innititur aut uestra religio formatur.
We see the sign of the cross naturally in a ship, when it is carried with swelling sails, when it glides with outspread oars; and when a yoke is raised it is the sign of the cross; and when a man worships God with a pure mind, with hands outstretched. So either natural reason rests on the sign of the cross, or your religion is shaped by it.
Chapter 30
30.1CSEL 2:43
Illum iam uelim conuenire, qui initiari nos dicit aut credit de caede infantis et sanguine. putas posse fieri, ut tam molle, tam paruulum corpus fata uulnerum capiat? ut quisquam illum rudem sanguinem nouelli et uixdum hominis caedat, fundat, exhauriat? nemo hoc potest credere nisi qui possit audere.
"Now I should like to meet the man who says or believes that we are initiated by the slaughter and blood of an infant. Do you think it possible that so tender, so tiny a body could receive fatal wounds? That anyone could slay, shed, and drain the fresh blood of a new-born and scarcely human being? No one can believe this except one who could dare to do it.
30.2CSEL 2:43
uos enim uideo procreatos filios nunc feris et auibus exponere, nunc adstrangulatos misero mortis genere elidere: sunt quae in ipsis uisceribus medicaminibus epotis originem futuri hominis extinguant et parricidium faciant, antequam pariant.
For I see you exposing your begotten sons now to wild beasts and birds, now strangling and crushing them by a wretched kind of death; there are women who, by drinking drugs, extinguish in their very wombs the beginning of the future human being and commit parricide before they give birth.
30.3CSEL 2:43
et haec utique de deorum uestrorum disciplina descendunt: nam Saturnus filios suos non exposuit, sed uorauit. merito ei in nonnullis Africae partibus a parentibus infantes immolabantur, blanditiis et osculo comprimente uagitum, ne flebilis hostia immolaretur.
And these things surely come down from the teaching of your gods: for Saturn did not expose his sons but devoured them. Fittingly, in some parts of Africa infants were sacrificed to him by their parents, their crying stifled with caresses and kisses so that a weeping victim might not be sacrificed.
30.4CSEL 2:43–44
Tauris etiam Ponticis et Aegyptio Busiridi ritus fuit hospites immolare, et Mercurio Gallis humanas uel inhumanas uictimas caedere, Romanis Graecum et Graecam, Gallum et Gallam sacrificii loco uiuentes obruere, hodieque ab ipsis Latiaris Iuppiter homicidio colitur, et quod Saturni filio dignum est, mali et noxii hominis sanguine saginatur.
Among the Taurians of Pontus too, and for the Egyptian Busiris, it was the rite to sacrifice strangers; and among the Gauls to slay human, or rather inhuman, victims to Mercury; among the Romans to bury alive a Greek man and a Greek woman, a Gallic man and a Gallic woman, in place of a sacrifice; and to this day Jupiter Latiaris is worshipped by them with homicide, and, as befits the son of Saturn, is fattened with the blood of a wicked and guilty man.
30.5CSEL 2:44
ipsam credo docuisse sanguinis foedere coniurare Catilinam, et Bellonam sacrum suum haustu humani cruoris imbuere, et comitialem morbum hominis sanguine, id est morbo graviore sanare.
I believe it was he who taught Catiline to conspire by a covenant of blood, and Bellona to steep her rites with a draught of human gore, and men to cure epilepsy with human blood, that is, with a worse disease.
30.6CSEL 2:44
non dissimiles et qui de harena feras deuorant inlitas et infectas cruore uel membris hominis et uiscere saginatas. nobis homicidium nec uidere fas nec audire, tantumque ab humano sanguine cauemus, ut nec edulium pecorum in cibis sanguinem nouerimus.
Not unlike them are those who devour the beasts from the arena, smeared and stained with blood or fattened on the limbs and entrails of men. For us it is not lawful either to see or to hear of homicide; and we so shun human blood that we do not use even the blood of edible animals in our food.
Chapter 31
31.1CSEL 2:44
Et de incesto conuiuio fabulam grandem aduersum nos daemonum coitio mentita est, ut gloriam pudicitiae deformis infamiae aspersione macularet, ut ante exploratam ueritatem homines a nobis terrore infandae opinionis auerteret.
"And about the incestuous banquet, the conspiracy of demons has told a great fable against us, to stain the glory of our chastity with the sprinkling of foul infamy, to turn men away from us by the terror of an unspeakable opinion before the truth was examined.
31.2CSEL 2:44
sic de isto et tuus Fronto non ut adfirmator testimonium fecit, sed conuicium ut orator adspersit: haec enim potius de uestris gentibus nata sunt.
So on this point your Fronto too did not give testimony as one making an affirmation, but scattered abuse as an orator; for these things have rather arisen from your own nations.
31.3CSEL 2:44
ius est apud Persas misceri cum matribus, Aegyptiis et Atheniensibus cum sororibus legitima conubia, memoriae et tragoediae uestrae incestis gloriantur, quas uos libenter et legitis et auditis; sic et deos colitis incestos, cum matre, cum filia, cum sorore coniunctos.
Among the Persians it is lawful to have intercourse with mothers; among the Egyptians and Athenians marriages with sisters are legitimate; your histories and tragedies glory in incests, which you gladly read and hear; so too you worship incestuous gods, joined with mother, with daughter, with sister.
31.4CSEL 2:44–45
merito igitur incestum penes uos saepe deprehenditur, semper admittitur. etiam nescientes, miseri, potestis in inlicita proruere: dum Venerem promisce spargitis, dum passim liberos seritis, dum etiam domi natos alienae misericordiae frequenter exponitis, necesse est in uestros recurrere, in filios inerrare. sic incesti fabulam nectitis, etiam cum conscientiam non habetis.
Rightly, then, incest is often detected among you and always committed. Even without knowing it, wretches, you can rush into what is unlawful: while you scatter your lusts promiscuously, while you beget children everywhere, while you often expose even those born at home to the mercy of others, you must necessarily come back upon your own and stray into your own children. So you weave the story of incest even when you are not conscious of it.
31.5CSEL 2:45
at nos pudorem non facie, sed mente praestamus: unius matrimonii uinculo libenter [inhaeremus, cupiditatem procreandi aut unam scimus aut nullam, conuiuia non tantum pudica colimus sed et sobria: nec enim indulgemus epulis aut conuiuium mero ducimus, sed grauitate hilaritatem temperamus: casto sermone, corpore castiore plerique inuiolati corporis uirginitate perpetua fruuntur potius quam gloriantur: tantum denique abest incesti cupido, ut nonnullis rubori sit etiam pudica coniunctio.
But we show modesty not in appearance but in mind: gladly bound by the tie of a single marriage, in the desire for children we know either one woman or none; we keep banquets not only modest but also sober: for we do not indulge in feasts or prolong a banquet with wine, but temper cheerfulness with gravity. With chaste speech, and chaster body, very many enjoy, rather than boast of, the perpetual virginity of an unviolated body; indeed, so far is the desire for incest from us that for some even a chaste union is a cause of blushing.
31.6CSEL 2:45
nec de ultima statim plebe consistimus, si honores uestros et purpuras recusamus, nec factiosi sumus, si omnes unum bonum sapimus eadem congregati quiete qua singuli, nec in angulis garruli, si audire nos publice aut erubescitis aut timetis.
Nor are we straightway the lowest rabble if we refuse your honours and purple robes; nor are we a faction if we all think the one good, gathered in the same quiet as when alone; nor chattering in corners, if you either blush or fear to hear us in public.
31.7CSEL 2:45
et quod indies nostri numerus augetur, non est crimen erroris, sed testimonium laudis; nam in pulcro genere uiuendi et perstat et perseuerat suus et adcrescit alienus.
And that our number increases daily is not a charge of error but a testimony of praise; for in a beautiful way of life its own member both stands firm and perseveres, and the stranger grows into it.
31.8CSEL 2:45
sic nos denique non notaculo corporis, ut putatis, sed innocentiae ac modestiae signo facile dinoscimus: sic nos mutuo, quod doletis, amore diligimus, quoniam odisse non nouimus: sic nos, quod inuidetis, fratres uocamus, ut unius Dei parentis homines, ut consortes fidei, ut spei coheredes. uos enim nec inuicem adgnoscitis et in mutua odia saeuitis, nec fratres uos nisi sane ad parricidium recognoscitis.
So, finally, we easily recognize one another not by a mark on the body, as you think, but by the sign of innocence and modesty; so we love one another with mutual love, which pains you, since we do not know how to hate; so we call one another brothers, which you envy, as men of one God and Parent, as sharers in faith, as co-heirs of hope. For you neither recognize one another and you rage in mutual hatreds, nor do you acknowledge yourselves as brothers, except indeed for fratricide.
Chapter 32
32.1CSEL 2:45–46
Putatis autem nos occultare quod colimus, si delubra et aras non habemus? quod enim simulacrum Deo fingam, cum, si recte existimes, sit Dei homo ipse simulacrum? templum quod ei extruam, cum totus hic mundus eius opere fabricatus eum capere non possit? et cum homo latius maneam, intra unam aediculam uim tantae maiestatis includam?
"But do you think that we hide what we worship because we have no shrines and altars? For what image shall I fashion for God, when, if you think rightly, man himself is the image of God? What temple shall I build for him, when this whole world, fashioned by his work, cannot contain him? And when I, a man, dwell more spaciously, shall I shut up the power of such great majesty within one little building?
32.2CSEL 2:46
nonne Melius in nostra dedicandus est mente? in nostro immo consecrandus est pectore? hostias et uictimas Deo offeram, quas in usum mei protulit, ut reiciam ei suum munus? ingratum est, cum sit litabilis hostia bonus animus et pura mens et sincera conscientia.
Is he not better dedicated in our mind? Rather, consecrated in our heart? Shall I offer to God sacrifices and victims which he brought forth for my use, so as to throw his own gift back at him? That is ungrateful, since the acceptable sacrifice is a good spirit, a pure mind, and a sincere conscience.
32.3CSEL 2:46
igitur qui innocentiam colit, Deo supplicat, qui iustitiam, Deo libat, qui fraudibus abstinet, propitiat Deum, qui hominem periculo subripit, opimam uictimam caedit. haec nostra sacrificia, haec Dei sacra sunt: sic apud nos religiosior est ille qui iustior.
So he who cultivates innocence makes supplication to God; he who cultivates justice makes libation to God; he who abstains from frauds propitiates God; he who snatches a man from danger slays the richest victim. These are our sacrifices, these are God's rites: so among us the more religious is he who is the more just.
32.4CSEL 2:46
at enim quem colimus Deum, nec ostendimus nec uidemus. immo ex hoc Deum credimus, quod eum sentire possumus, uidere non possumus. in operibus enim eius et in mundi omnibus motibus uirtutem eius semper praesentem aspicimus, cum tonat, fulgurat, fulminat, cum serenat.
'But the God we worship we neither show nor see.' On the contrary, we believe him to be God precisely because we can perceive him but cannot see him. For in his works and in all the movements of the world we behold his power ever present, when he thunders, lightens, strikes with thunderbolts, when he makes the sky clear.
32.5CSEL 2:46
nec mireris, si Deum non uides: uento et flatibus omnia impelluntur, uibrantur, agitantur, et sub oculis tamen non uenit uentus et flatus. in solem adeo, qui uidendi omnibus causa est, uidere non possumus, radiis acies submouetur, obtutus intuentis hebetatur, et si diutius inspicias, omnis uisus extinguitur.
Nor should you wonder if you do not see God: by the wind and the blasts all things are driven, shaken, stirred, and yet wind and blast do not come before our eyes. Indeed, we cannot look at the sun, which is the cause of seeing for all: the eye is driven back by its rays, the gaze of the beholder is dulled, and if you look too long all sight is extinguished.
32.6CSEL 2:46
quid? ipsum solis artificem, illum luminis fontem, possis sustinere, cum te ab eius fulgoribus auertas, a fulminibus abscondas? Deum oculis carnalibus uis uidere, cum ipsam animam tuam, qua uiuificaris et loqueris, nec aspicere possis nec tenere? sed enim Deus
What? Could you bear the very maker of the sun, that fountain of light, when you turn yourself away from its brightness and hide from its lightnings? Do you wish to see God with fleshly eyes, when you can neither see nor hold your own soul, by which you are given life and speak? 'But God
32.7CSEL 2:46–47
actum hominis ignorat et in caelo constitutus non potest aut omnes obire aut singulos nosse. erras o homo, et falleris: unde enim Deus longe est, cum omnia caelestia terrenaque et quae extra istam orbis prouinciam sunt, Deo plena sint? ubique non tantum nobis proximus, sed infusus est.
is ignorant of man's doings, and, being placed in heaven, cannot visit all or know individuals.' You err, O man, and are deceived: for how is God far off, when all things heavenly and earthly, and those beyond this province of the world, are full of God? Everywhere he is not only very near us but poured into us.
32.8CSEL 2:47
in solem adeo rursus intende: caelo adfixus, sed terris omnibus sparsus est: pariter praesens ubique interest et miscetur omnibus, nusquam eius claritudo uiolatur.
Consider the sun again: it is fixed in the sky, but spread over all lands; present everywhere alike, it takes part in and mingles with all things, and nowhere is its brightness violated.
32.9CSEL 2:47
quanto magis Deus auctor omnium ac speculator omnium, a quo nullum potest esse secretum, tenebris interest, interest cogitationibus nostris, quasi alteris tenebris! non tantum sub illo agimus, sed et cum illo, ut prope dixerim, uiuimus.
How much more is God, the author of all and the watcher of all, from whom nothing can be secret, present in darkness, present in our thoughts, as in another darkness! We not only act under him but, I might almost say, live with him.
Chapter 33
33.1CSEL 2:47
Nec nobis de nostra frequentia blandiamur: multi nobis uidemur, sed Deo admodum pauci sumus. nos gentes nationesque distinguimus: Deo una domus est mundus hic totus. reges statum regni sui per officia ministrorum diuersa nouerunt: Deo indiciis opus non est: non enim solum in oculis eius, sed in sinu uiuimus.
"Nor should we flatter ourselves about our numbers: we seem many to ourselves, but to God we are very few. We distinguish peoples and nations: to God this whole world is one house. Kings know the state of their kingdom through the services of various ministers: God has no need of informers; for we live not only before his eyes but in his bosom.
33.2CSEL 2:47
sed Iudaeis nihil profuit, quod unum et ipsi Deum aris atque templis maxima superstitione coluerunt. ignorantia laberis, si priorum aut oblitus aut inscius posteriorum recordaris.
'But it did the Jews no good that they too worshipped one God with altars and temples and the greatest superstition.' You slip through ignorance, if you remember later events while forgetting, or not knowing, the earlier ones.
33.3CSEL 2:47
nam et ipsi Deum nostrum, idem enim omnium Deus est, experti sunt: quamdiu enim eum caste, innoxie religioseque coluerunt, quamdiu praeceptis salubribus obtemperauerunt, de paucis innumeri facti, de egentibus diuites, de seruientibus reges: modici multos, inermi armatos, dum fugiunt insequentes, Dei iussu et elementis adnitentibus obruerunt.
For they too experienced our God, for he is the same God of all: as long as they worshipped him chastely, innocently, and religiously, as long as they obeyed his wholesome precepts, from few they became countless, from poor rich, from slaves kings; few overwhelmed many, the unarmed the armed, while fleeing they overwhelmed their pursuers by God's command and with the elements striving on their side.
33.4CSEL 2:47–48
scripta eorum relege, uel si Romanis magis gaudes, ut transeamus ueteres, [Flaui Josephi uel] Antonii Iuliani de Iudaeis require: iam scies, nequitia sua hanc eos meruisse fortunam, nec quidquam accidisse quod non sit iis, si in contumacia perseuerarent, ante praedictum.
Read their writings again, or, if you prefer Romans, to pass over the ancients, look up what Antonius Julianus wrote about the Jews: you will know at once that they deserved this fortune by their own wickedness, and that nothing happened to them that had not been foretold before, if they persisted in their stubbornness.
33.5CSEL 2:48
ita prius eos deseruisse conprehendes quam esse desertos nec, ut impie loqueris, cum Deo suo captos, sed a Deo ut disciplinae transfugas deditos.
So you will understand that they deserted before they were deserted, and that they were not captured with their God, as you impiously say, but handed over by God as deserters from his discipline.
Chapter 34
34.1CSEL 2:48
Ceterum de incendio mundi, aut inprouisum ignem cadere aut † difficile, non credere uulgaris erroris est.
"As for the conflagration of the world, not to believe that an unforeseen fire will fall, or that it is difficult ..., is the part of vulgar error.
34.2CSEL 2:48
quis enim sapientium dubitat, quis ignorat, omnia quae orta sunt, occidere, quae facta sunt, interire? caelum quoque cum omnibus quae caelo continentur, ita ut coepit, si desierit fontium dulcis aqua maria nutrire, in uim ignis abiturum, Stoicis constans opinio est, quod consumto umore mundus hic omnis ignescat.
For which of the wise doubts, which is ignorant, that all things that have arisen fall, that all things made perish? That heaven too, with all that heaven contains, will pass, as it began, into the force of fire, if the sweet water of the springs ceases to nourish the seas, is the constant opinion of the Stoics, because, the moisture being consumed, this whole world will take fire.
34.3CSEL 2:48
et Epicureis de elementorum conflagratione et mundi ruina eadem ipsa sententia est...
And the Epicureans hold the very same opinion about the conflagration of the elements and the ruin of the world.
34.4CSEL 2:48
loquitur Plato: partes orbis nunc inundare dicit, nunc alternis uicibus ardescere, et cum ipsum mundum perpetuum et insolubilem diceret esse fabricatum, addidit tamen, ipsi artifici Deo soli et solubilem et esse mortalem.
Plato speaks of it: he says that parts of the world are now flooded, now burn by alternating turns; and though he said that the world itself was fashioned perpetual and indissoluble, he added nevertheless that to God its maker alone it is both dissoluble and mortal.
34.5CSEL 2:48
ita nihil mirum est, si ista moles ab eo, quo extructa est, destruatur. animaduertis philosophos eadem disputare quae dicimus, non quod nos simus eorum uestigia subsecuti, sed quod illi de diuinis praedictionibus profetarum umbram interpolatae ueritatis imitati sint.
So it is no wonder if this mass is destroyed by him by whom it was built. You notice that the philosophers argue the same things that we say: not because we have followed in their footsteps, but because they, from the divine predictions of the prophets, imitated a shadow of the truth, distorted.
34.6CSEL 2:48
sic etiam condicionem renascendi sapientium clariores, Pythagoras primus et praecipuus Plato, corrupta et dimidiata fide tradiderunt: nam corporibus dissolutis
So too the more famous of the wise, Pythagoras first and Plato chief, have handed down the condition of being born again with a corrupted and halved faith: for when bodies are dissolved,
34.7CSEL 2:48–49
solas animas uolunt et perpetuo manere et in alia noua corpora saepius commeare.
they hold that the souls alone both remain forever and pass again and again into other new bodies.
34.8CSEL 2:49
addunt istis et illa ad retorquendam ueritatem, in pecudes, aues, beluas hominum animas redire. non philosophi sane studio, sed mimi conuicio digna ista sententia est:
To these they add also this, to twist the truth: that the souls of men return into cattle, birds, and beasts. That opinion is surely worthy not of a philosopher's study but of a mime's buffoonery.
34.9CSEL 2:49
sed ad propositum satis est, etiam in hoc sapientes uestros in aliquem modum nobiscum consonare.
But for our purpose it is enough that even in this your wise men agree with us in some measure.
34.10CSEL 2:49
ceterum quis tam stultus aut brutus est, ut audeat repugnare, hominem a Deo, ut primum potuisse fingi, ita posse denuo reformari? nihil esse post obitum, et ante ortum nihil fuisse? sicut de nihilo nasci licuit, ita de nihilo licere reparari? porro difficilius est, id quod non sit incipere, quam id quod fuerit iterare. tu perire et Deo credis, si quid oculis nostris hebetibus subtrahitur? corpus omne siue arescit in puluerem siue in umorem soluitur uel in cinerem comprimitur uel in nidorem. tenuatur, subducitur nobis, sed Deo elementorum custodi reseruatur. nec, ut creditis, ullum damnum sepulturae timemus, sed ueterem et meliorem consuetudinem humandi frequentamus.
Besides, who is so foolish or stupid as to dare to deny that man, as he could first be formed by God, can be formed anew? That he is nothing after death, and was nothing before birth? That as he could be born from nothing, so he can be restored from nothing? Moreover, it is harder to begin what does not exist than to repeat what has existed. Do you think that anything perishes for God too, if it is withdrawn from our dull eyes? Every body, whether it dries up into dust, or is dissolved into moisture, or is compressed into ashes, or thinned into smoke, is withdrawn from us, but is kept for God, the guardian of the elements. Nor, as you believe, do we fear any loss from the manner of burial; but we keep to the old and better custom of burying in the earth.
34.11CSEL 2:49
uide adeo, quam in solacium nostri resurrectionem futuram omnis natura meditetur. sol demergit et nascitur, astra labuntur et redeunt, flores occidunt et reuiuescunt, post senium arbusta frondescunt, semina nonnisi corrupta reuirescunt: ita corpus in sepulcro, ut arbores in hiberno: occultant uirorem ariditate mentita.
See, then, how all nature rehearses the future resurrection for our comfort. The sun sets and is born, the stars sink and return, flowers die and revive, after their old age the shrubs put forth leaves, seeds do not grow green again unless they have decayed: so the body in the grave is like trees in winter; they hide their green under a feigned dryness.
34.12CSEL 2:49–50
quid festinas, ut cruda adhuc hieme reuiuescat et redeat? expectandum nobis etiam corporis uer est. nec ignoro plerosque conscientia meritorum nihil se esse post mortem magis optare quam credere: malunt enim extingui penitus quam ad supplicia reparari. quorum error augetur et in saeculo libertate remissa et Dei patientia maxima, cuius quanto iudicium tardum, tanto magis iustum est.
Why do you hurry for it to revive and return while winter is still raw? We must wait for the spring of the body too. Nor am I unaware that most people, conscious of what they deserve, wish rather than believe that they will be nothing after death; for they prefer to be utterly extinguished rather than to be restored for punishment. Their error is increased both by the liberty allowed them in this world and by the very great patience of God, whose judgment is the more just the slower it is.
Chapter 35
35.1CSEL 2:50
Et tamen admonentur homines doctissimorum libris et carminibus poetarum illius ignei fluminis et de Stygia palude saepius ambientis ardoris, quae cruciatibus aeternis praeparata et daemonum indiciis et de oraculis profetarum cognita tradiderunt.
"And yet men are warned by the books of the most learned and the songs of the poets about that fiery river and the burning that flows around many times from the Stygian marsh, which, prepared for eternal torments and known through the disclosures of demons and the oracles of the prophets, they have handed down.
35.2CSEL 2:50
et ideo apud eos etiam ipse rex Iuppiter per torrentes ripas et atram uoraginem iurat religiose: destinatam enim sibi cum suis cultoribus poenam praescius perhorrescit.
And so among them even King Jupiter himself swears religiously by the burning banks and the black abyss; for, knowing beforehand the punishment destined for himself with his worshippers, he shudders at it.
35.3CSEL 2:50
nec tormentis aut modus ullus aut terminus. illic sapiens ignis membra urit et reficit, carpit et nutrit. sicut ignes fulminum corpora tangunt nec absumunt, sicut ignes Aetnaei montis et Vesuui montis et ardentium ubique terrarum flagrant nec erogantur: ita poenale illud incendium non damnis ardentium pascitur, sed inexesa corporum laceratione nutritur.
Nor is there any measure or end to the torments. There a wise fire burns and restores the limbs, consumes and nourishes them. As the fires of thunderbolts touch bodies and do not consume them, as the fires of Mount Etna and Mount Vesuvius and of burning lands everywhere blaze and are not used up: so that penal fire is not fed by the loss of those who burn but is nourished by an unconsuming tearing of their bodies.
35.4CSEL 2:50
eos autem merito torqueri, qui Deum nesciunt, ut impios, ut iniustos, nisi profanus nemo deliberat, cum parentem omnium et omnium dominum non minoris sceleris sit ignorare quam laedere.
That those are rightly tormented who do not know God, as impious, as unjust, no one but a profane man doubts, since it is no less a crime to be ignorant of the parent of all and lord of all than to injure him.
35.5CSEL 2:50
et quamquam inperitia Dei sufficiat ad poenam, ita ut notitia prosit ad ueniam, tamen si uobiscum Christiani comparemur, quamuis in nonnullis disciplina nostra minor est, multo tamen uobis meliores deprehendemur.
And although ignorance of God suffices for punishment, as knowledge of him avails for pardon, yet if we Christians are compared with you, though in some respects our discipline falls short, we shall be found much better than you.
35.6CSEL 2:50
uos enim adulteria prohibetis et facitis, nos uxoribus nostris solummodo uiri nascimur: uos scelera admissa punitis, apud nos et cogitare peccare est: uos conscios timetis, nos etiam conscientiam solam, sine qua esse non possumus: denique de uestro numero carcer exaestuat, Christianus ibi nullus nisi aut reus suae religionis aut profugus.
For you forbid adulteries and commit them; we are born men for our own wives only. You punish crimes committed; with us even to think is to sin. You fear those who know of your deeds; we fear even conscience alone, without which we cannot exist. Finally, the prison is crowded with your number; there is no Christian there, unless he is either accused because of his religion or a deserter.
Chapter 36
36.1CSEL 2:50–51
Nec de fato quisquam aut solacium captet aut excuset euentum: sit sors fortunae, mens tamen libera est, et ideo actus hominis, non dignitas iudicatur.
"Nor let anyone either seek comfort from fate or excuse what happens: let chance belong to fortune, yet the mind is free, and therefore it is a man's actions, not his station, that are judged.
36.2CSEL 2:51
quid enim aliud est fatum quam quod de unoquoque nostrum Deus fatus est? qui cum possit praescire materiam, pro meritis et qualitatibus singulorum etiam fata determinat. ita in nobis non genitura plectitur, sed ingenii natura punitur. ac de fato satis, uel si pauca pro tempore, disputaturi alias et uberius et plenius.
For what else is fate than what God has spoken of each one of us? Since he can foreknow the material, he determines fates too according to the deserts and qualities of individuals. So in us it is not our birth that is punished but the nature of our disposition. And enough about fate, even if little for the present; we shall discuss it elsewhere more fully and at greater length.
36.3CSEL 2:51
ceterum quod plerique pauperes dicimur, non est infamia nostra, sed gloria: animus enim ut luxu soluitur, ita frugalitate firmatur.
Moreover, that most of us are called poor is not our disgrace but our glory; for as the mind is weakened by luxury, so it is strengthened by frugality.
36.4CSEL 2:51
et tamen qui potest pauper esse qui non eget, qui non inhiat alieno, qui Deo diues est? magis pauper ille est, qui cum multa habeat, plura desiderat.
And yet who can be poor who does not want, who does not covet another's goods, who is rich toward God? He is rather poor who, though he has much, desires more.
36.5CSEL 2:51
dicam tamen quemadmodum sentio: nemo tam pauper potest esse quam natus est. aues sine patrimonio uiuunt et in diem pascuntur: et haec nobis tamen nata sunt, quae omnia, si non concupiscimus, possidemus.
Yet I will say what I think: no one can be as poor as he was born. Birds live without patrimony and are fed day by day; and yet these things were made for us, and we possess them all if we do not covet them.
36.6CSEL 2:51
igitur ut qui uiam terit, eo felicior quo leuior incedit, ita beatior in hoc itinere uiuendi, qui paupertate se subleuat, non sub diuitiarum onere suspirat.
So, as one who travels a road is happier the lighter he walks, so in this journey of life he is more blessed who lightens himself by poverty and does not groan under the burden of riches.
36.7CSEL 2:51
et tamen facultates, si utiles putaremus, a Deo posceremus: utique indulgere posset aliquantum cuius est totum. sed nos contemnere malumus opes quam contingere, innocentiam magis cupimus, magis patientiam flagitamus, malumus nos bonos esse quam prodigos, et quod corporis humana uitia sentimus et patimur, non est poena, militia est.
And yet, if we thought riches useful, we would ask them of God: surely he to whom the whole belongs could grant some part. But we prefer to despise wealth rather than to touch it; we desire innocence more, we beg more for patience; we prefer to be good rather than lavish; and that we feel and suffer the human frailties of the body is not punishment, it is military service.
36.8CSEL 2:51
fortitudo enim in infirmitatibus roboratur et calamitas saepius disciplina uirtutis est. uires denique et mentis et corporis sine laboris exercitatione torpescunt: omnes adeo uestri uiri fortes, quos in exemplum praedicatis, aerumnis suis inclyti floruerunt.
For strength is made strong in weaknesses, and calamity is very often the training school of virtue. Indeed, strength of both mind and body grows sluggish without the exercise of toil: all your brave men, whom you proclaim as examples, flourished famous through their hardships.
36.9CSEL 2:51–52
itaque et nobis Deus nec non potest subuenire nec despicit, cum sit et omnium rector et amator suorum, sed in aduersis unumquemque explorat et examinat, ingenium singulorum periculis pensitat, usque ad extremam mortem uoluntatem hominis sciscitatur, nihil sibi posse perire securus. itaque ut aurum ignibus, sic nos discriminibus arguimur.
So God is neither unable to help us nor does he despise us, since he is both ruler of all and lover of his own; but in adversity he tests and examines each one, weighs the character of each by dangers, questions the will of man even to the point of death, secure that nothing can be lost to him. So, as gold by fire, we are proved by trials.
Chapter 37
37.1CSEL 2:52
Quam pulchrum spectaculum Deo, cum Christianus cum dolore congreditur, cum aduersum minas et supplicia et tormenta componitur, cum strepitum mortis et horrorem carnificis inridens inculcat, cum libertatem suam aduersus reges et principes erigit, soli Deo, cuius est, cedit, cum triumphator et uictor ipsi, qui aduersum se sententiam dixit, insultat! uicit enim qui quod contendit obtinuit.
"How beautiful a spectacle for God, when a Christian grapples with pain, when he is matched against threats and punishments and tortures, when he tramples, laughing, on the din of death and the horror of the executioner, when he raises up his liberty against kings and princes and yields to God alone, whose he is, when, triumphant and victorious, he insults the very man who pronounced sentence against him! For he has conquered who has obtained what he strove for.
37.2CSEL 2:52
quis non miles sub oculis imperatoris audacius periculum prouocet? nemo enim praemium percipit ante experimentum. et imperator tamen quod non habet, non dat: non potest propagare uitam, potest honestare militiam.
What soldier would not challenge danger more boldly under the eyes of his general? For no one receives the reward before the trial. And yet a general does not give what he does not have: he cannot prolong life, he can only honour military service.
37.3CSEL 2:52
at enim Dei miles nec in dolore deseritur nec morte finitur. sic Christianus miser uideri potest, non potest inueniri. uos ipsi calamitosos uiros fertis ad caelum, Mucium Scaeuolam, qui cum errasset in regem perisset in hostibus, nisi dexteram perdidisset.
But the soldier of God is neither deserted in pain nor ended by death. So a Christian can seem wretched, but cannot be found so. You yourselves extol to the skies men in calamity, Mucius Scaevola, who, when he had failed against the king, would have perished among the enemy had he not sacrificed his right hand.
37.4CSEL 2:52
et quot ex nostris, non dextram solum, sed totum corpus uri, cremari sine ullis eiulatibus pertulerunt, cum dimitti praesertim haberent in sua potestate!
And how many of ours have endured having not only the right hand but the whole body burned and consumed without any cries, especially when they had it in their power to be released!
37.5CSEL 2:52
uiros cum Mucio uel cum Aquilio aut Regulo comparo? pueri et mulierculae nostrae cruces et tormenta, feras et omnes suppliciorum terriculas inspirata patientia doloris inludunt.
Do I compare men with Mucius or with Aquilius or Regulus? Our boys and our weak women mock crosses and tortures, wild beasts and all the bugbears of punishment, with a patience in pain that is inspired.
37.6CSEL 2:52
nec intellegitis o miseri, neminem esse qui aut sine ratione uelit poenam subire aut tormenta sine Deo possit sustinere:
And you do not understand, O wretched men, that there is no one who would either wish to undergo punishment without reason or could endure tortures without God:
37.7CSEL 2:52–53
nisi forte uos decipit, quod Deum nescientes diuitiis afluant, honoribus floreant, polleant potestatibus. miseri in hoc altius tolluntur, ut decidant altius. hi enim ut uictimae ad supplicium saginantur, ut hostiae ad poenam coronantur: in hoc adeo quidam imperiis ac dominationibus eriguntur, ut ingenium eorum perditae mentes licentia potestatis libere nundinentur.
unless perhaps you are deceived because those who do not know God abound in riches, flourish in honours, are strong in power. The wretches are lifted higher for this, that they may fall lower. For these are fattened like victims for slaughter, crowned like sacrifices for punishment: some are raised to empires and dominions for this very reason, that their ruined minds may freely put their character up for sale through the licence of power.
37.8CSEL 2:53
absque enim notitia Dei quae potest esse solida felicitas, cum mors sit? somnio similis antequam tenetur, elabitur. rex es?
For without the knowledge of God what solid happiness can there be, since death exists? Like a dream, it slips away before it is held. Are you a king?
37.9CSEL 2:53
sed tam times quam timeris, et quamlibet sis multo comitatu stipatus, ad periculum tamen solus es. diues es? sed fortunae male creditur et magno uiatico breue uitae iter non instruitur, sed oneratur.
But you fear as much as you are feared; and however large a retinue surrounds you, in danger you are alone. Are you rich? But fortune is badly trusted, and the short journey of life is not equipped but burdened by great provisions.
37.10CSEL 2:53
fascibus et purpuris gloriaris? uanus error hominis et inanis cultus dignitatis, fulgere purpura, mente sordescere. nobilitate generosus es? parentes tuos laudas? omnes tamen pari sorte nascimur, sola uirtute distinguimur.
Do you glory in the fasces and the purple? It is a vain error of man and an empty worship of rank to shine in purple and be sordid in mind. Are you noble by birth? Do you praise your parents? Yet we are all born with equal lot; we are distinguished by virtue alone.
37.11CSEL 2:53
nos igitur, qui moribus et pudore censemur, merito malis uoluptatibus et pompis uestris et spectaculis abstinemus, quorum et de sacris originem nouimus et noxia blandimenta damnamus. nam in ludis currulibus quis non horreat populi in se rixantis insaniam? in gladiatoriis homicidii disciplinam?
We, therefore, who are judged by our conduct and modesty, rightly abstain from your evil pleasures and processions and shows, whose origin we know to be from sacred rites, and whose harmful allurements we condemn. For at the chariot races who would not shudder at the madness of the people brawling among themselves? At the gladiatorial shows, at the training in homicide?
37.12CSEL 2:53
in scenicis etiam non minor furor et turpitudo prolixior: nunc enim mimus uel exponit adulteria uel monstrat, nunc eneruis histrio amorem dum fingit, infligit: idem deos uestros induendo stupra, suspiria, odia dedecorat, idem simulatis doloribus lacrimas uestras uanis gestibus et nutibus prouocat: sic homicidium in uero flagitatis, in mendacio fletis.
In the theatrical shows too there is no less madness and more extended shamefulness: for now a mime either expounds or displays adulteries, now an effeminate actor, while he feigns love, inflicts it; the same man dishonours your gods by attributing to them debaucheries, sighs, hatreds; the same man, by feigned sorrows, provokes your tears with vain gestures and nods. So you demand homicide in reality and weep at it in fiction.
Chapter 38
38.1CSEL 2:53
Quod uero sacrificiorum reliquias et pocula delibata contemnimus, non confessio timoris est, sed uerae libertatis adsertio. nam etsi omne quod nascitur ut inuiolabile Dei munus nullo opere conrumpitur, abstinemus tamen, ne quis nos existimet aut daemoniis, quibus libatum est, cedere aut nostrae religionis pudere.
"That we despise the remains of sacrifices and the cups from which libations have been poured is not a confession of fear but an assertion of true liberty. For although everything that comes into being, as an inviolable gift of God, is not corrupted by any act, we abstain nonetheless, lest anyone should think either that we yield to the demons to whom the libation was made or that we are ashamed of our religion.
38.2CSEL 2:53–54
quis autem ille qui dubitat, uernis indulgere nos floribus, cum carpamus et rosam ueris et lilium et quicquid aliud in floribus blandi coloris et odoris est? his enim et sparsis utimur mollibus ac solutis et sertis colla conplectimur. sane quod caput non coronamus, ignoscite: auram bonam floris naribus ducere, non occipitio capillisue solemus haurire.
And who is he who doubts that we enjoy the flowers of spring, since we pluck both the rose of spring and the lily and whatever else among flowers is of pleasing colour and scent? For we use these both scattered loose and soft, and we clasp our necks with garlands. Pardon us, indeed, that we do not crown the head: we are accustomed to draw in the pleasant scent of a flower with our nostrils, not to inhale it with the back of the head or the hair.
38.3CSEL 2:54
nec mortuos coronamus. ego uos in hoc magis miror, quemadmodum tribuatis exanimi aut sentienti facem aut non sentienti coronam, cum et beatus non egeat et miser non gaudeat floribus.
Nor do we crown the dead. I wonder rather at you in this, how you give to a lifeless man either a torch, if he feels, or a garland, if he does not feel, since if he is blessed he does not need flowers, and if wretched he does not rejoice in them.
38.4CSEL 2:54
at enim nos exsequias adornamus eadem tranquillitate qua uiuimus, nec adnectimus arescentem coronam, sed a Deo aeternis floribus uiuidam sustinemus: quieti, modesti, Dei nostri liberalitate securi spem futurae felicitatis fide praesentis eius maiestatis animamus. sic et beati resurgimus et futuri contemplatione iam uiuimus.
But we adorn our funerals with the same tranquillity with which we live; nor do we bind on a withering garland, but we await one living with eternal flowers from God. Quiet, modest, secure in the generosity of our God, we quicken the hope of future happiness by faith in his present majesty. So we both rise again blessed and already live in the contemplation of the future.
38.5CSEL 2:54
proinde Socrates scurra Atticus uiderit, nihil se scire confessus, testimonio licet fallacissimi daemonis gloriosus, Arcesilas quoque et Carneades et Pyrro et omnis Academicorum multitudo deliberet, Simonides etiam in perpetuum conperendinet: philosophorum supercilia contemnimus, quos corruptores et adulteros nouimus et tyrannos et semper aduersus sua uitia facundos.
So let Socrates, the Attic buffoon, see to it, who confessed that he knew nothing, though he boasted of the testimony of a most deceitful demon; let Arcesilaus too, and Carneades, and Pyrrho, and the whole multitude of the Academics deliberate; let Simonides also postpone for ever: we despise the haughty brows of the philosophers, whom we know to be corrupters, adulterers, and tyrants, and always eloquent against their own vices.
38.6CSEL 2:54–55
nos, qui non habitu sapientiam sed mente praeferimus, non eloquimur magna sed uiuimus, gloriamur nos consecutos quod illi summa intentione quaesiuerunt nec inuenire potuerunt. quid ingrati sumus, quid nobis inuidemus, si ueritas diuinitatis nostri temporis aetate maturuit? fruamur bono nostro et recti sententiam temperemus: cohibeatur superstitio, impietas expietur, uera religio reseruetur.
We, who show our wisdom not in our dress but in our mind, who do not speak great things but live them, glory that we have attained what they sought with the utmost effort and could not find. Why are we ungrateful, why do we begrudge ourselves, if the truth about God has ripened in the age of our time? Let us enjoy our good and moderate the judgment of what is right: let superstition be restrained, impiety be expiated, true religion be preserved."
Chapter 39
39.1CSEL 2:55
Cum Octauius perorasset, aliquamdiu nos ad silentium stupefacti intentos uultus tenebamus, et quod ad me est, magnitudine admirationis euanui, quod ea, quae facilius est sentire quam dicere, et argumentis et exemplis et lectionum auctoritatibus adornasset, et quod maleuolos isdem illis quibus armantur, philosophorum telis retudisset, ostendisset etiam ueritatem non tantummodo facilem sed et fauorabilem.
When Octavius had finished his speech, for some time we kept our faces fixed in silence, struck dumb, and as for me, I was lost in the greatness of my admiration, because he had adorned with arguments, with examples, and with the authority of readings what it is easier to feel than to say; and because he had beaten back the ill-disposed with those same weapons of the philosophers with which they arm themselves; and because he had shown that the truth is not only easy but also attractive.
Chapter 40
40.1CSEL 2:55
Dum istaec igitur apud me tacitus euoluo, Caecilius erupit: Ego Octauio meo plurimum quantum, sed et mihi gratulor nec expecto sententiam. uicimus et ita: uel improbe usurpo uictoriam. nam ut ille mei uictor est, ita ego triumphator erroris.
While, then, I was silently turning these things over in my mind, Caecilius burst out: "I congratulate my Octavius exceedingly, but myself too, and I do not wait for the verdict. We have both conquered, and so I claim the victory, shameless though that may be: for as he is my conqueror, so I triumph over error.
40.2CSEL 2:55
itaque quod pertineat ad summam quaestionis, et de prouidentia fateor et de Deo cedo et de sectae iam nostrae sinceritate consentio. etiam nunc tamen aliqua consubsidunt non obstrepentia ueritati sed perfectae institutioni necessaria, de quibus crastino, quod iam sol occasui decliuis est, ut de toto congruentes promptius requiremus.
So, as regards the main question, I confess about providence, I yield about God, and I agree about the purity of the sect that is now ours. Still, even now some things remain beneath, not opposed to the truth but necessary for a complete instruction; about these we will inquire tomorrow, since the sun is already sinking to its setting, so that, agreeing on the whole, we may inquire more readily."
40.3CSEL 2:55–56
At ego, inquam, prolixius omnium nostrum uice gaudeo, quod etiam mihi Octauius uicerit, cum maxima iudicandi mihi inuidia detracta sit. nec tamen possum meritum eius uerborum laudibus repensare: testimonium et hominis et unius infirmum est: habet Dei munus eximium, a quo et inspiratus orauit et obtinuit adiutus.
"But I," I said, "rejoice more fully on behalf of us all, because Octavius has conquered for me too, since the very great odium of judging has been taken from me. Yet I cannot repay his merit with praises in words: the testimony of a man, and of one man, is weak; he has the excellent gift of God, inspired by whom he spoke, and helped by whom he prevailed."
40.4CSEL 2:56–57
Post haec laeti hilaresque discessimus, Caecilius quod crediderit, Octauius gaudere quod uicerit, ego et quod hic crediderit et hic uicerit.
After this we departed glad and cheerful: Caecilius rejoicing that he had believed, Octavius that he had conquered, and I both that the one had believed and the other had conquered.