Against Celsus 4.52

Summary: Celsus singles out the simple Dialogue of Jason and Papiscus as contemptible, and offers his own view that God made only immortal things and that human bodies do not differ from those of bats or frogs; Origen invites readers to judge the dialogue themselves.

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Greek text · Koetschau 1:325

Ἑξῆς δὲ τούτοις ἐπιλεξάμενος ἀπὸ πάντων συγγραμμάτων. τῶν περιεχόντων ἀλληγορίας καὶ διηγήσεις μετὰ οὐκ εὐκαταφρονήτου λέξεως, τὸ εὐτελέστερον καὶ δυνάμενον μέν τι πρὸς τοὺς πολλοὺς καὶ ἁπλουστέρους πίστεως χάριν συμβαλέσθαι οὐ μὴν οἷόν τε καὶ τοὺς συνετωτέρους κινῆσαι, φησίν· οἵαν δὴ καὶ Παπίσκου τινὸς καὶ Ἰάσονος ἀντιλογίαν ἔγνων, οὐ γέλωτος ἀλλὰ μᾶλλον ἐλέους καὶ μίσους ἀξίαν. ἔμοιγʼ οὖν οὐ ταῦτʼ ἐλέγχειν πρόκειται· ἔστι γὰρ παντί που δῆλα, καὶ μάλιστα εἴ τις ὑπομείναι καὶ ἀνάσχοιτο αὐτῶν ἐπακοῦσαι τῶν συγγραμμάτων. ἀλλʼ ἐκεῖνο μᾶλλον ἐθέλω διδάξαι τὴν φύσιν, ὅτι ὁ θεὸς οὐδὲν θνητὸν ἐποίησεν· ἀλλὰ θεοῦ μὲν ἔργα ὅσα ἀθάνατα. θνητὰ δʼ ἐκείνων. καὶ ψυχὴ μὲν θεοῦ ἔργον, σώματος δὲ ἄλλη φύσις. καὶ ταύτῃ γε οὐδὲν διοίσει νυκτερίδος ἢ εὐλῆς ἢ βατράχου ἢ ἀνθρώπου σῶμα· ὕλη γὰρ ἡ αὐτὴ. καὶ τὸ φθαρτὸν αὐτῶν ὅμοιον. οὐδὲν δʼ ἧττον ἐβουλόμην πάνθʼ ὁντινοῦν. ἀκούσαντα δεινολογοῦντος Κέλσου καὶ φάσκοντος τὸ ἐπιγεγραμμένον σύγγραμμα Ἰάσονος καὶ Παπίσκου ἀντιλογίαν περὶ Χριστοῦ οὐ γέλωτος ἀλλὰ μίσους ἄξιον εἶναι, λαβεῖν εἰς χεῖρας τὸ συγγραμμάτιον καὶ ὑπομεῖναι καὶ ἀνασχέσθαι ἀκοῦσαι τῶν ἐν αὐτῷ, ἵνʼ αὐτόθεν καταγνῶ τοῦ Κέλσου, μηδὲν εὑρίσκων μίσους ἄξιον ἐν τῷ βιβλίῳ. ἐὰν δʼ ἀδεκάστως τις ἐντυγχάνῃ. εὑρήσει ὅτι οὐδʼ ἐπὶ γέλωτα κινεῖ τὸ βιβλίον. ἐν ᾧ ἀναγέγραπται Χριστιανὸς Ἰουδαίῳ διαλεγόμενος ἀπὸ τῶν Ἰουδαϊκῶν γραφῶν καὶ δεικνὺς τὰς περὶ τοῦ Χριστοῦ προφητείας ἐφαρμόζειν τῷ Ἰησοῦ, καίτοι γε οὐκ ἀγεννῶς οὐδʼ ἀπρεπῶς τῷ Ἰουδαϊκῷ προσώπῳ τοῦ ἑτέρου ἱσταμένου πρὸς τὸν λόγον.

English · Claude translation

Next after this, picking out from all the writings that contain allegories and expositions in no contemptible style the one that is simpler, which can contribute something to the faith of the many and simpler people but cannot move the more intelligent, he says: “Such, for instance, is a certain dispute between one Papiscus and Jason which I came across, worthy not of laughter but rather of pity and hatred. It is not my task to refute these things; for they are surely clear to everyone, especially if one has the patience to endure listening to the writings themselves. But I want rather to teach this about nature: that God made nothing mortal, but the works of God are all that are immortal, and mortal things are theirs. And the soul is the work of God, but the nature of the body is different. And in this respect the body of a bat, or a worm, or a frog, or a man will not differ; for the matter is the same, and their corruptibility is alike.” Nonetheless I would want everyone who hears Celsus speaking vehemently and saying that the writing entitled the Dispute of Jason and Papiscus about Christ is worthy not of laughter but of hatred, to take the little work in his hands and have the patience to endure hearing what is in it, so that he may at once condemn Celsus, finding nothing worthy of hatred in the book. And if anyone reads it impartially, he will find that the book does not even move one to laughter; in it a Christian is recorded arguing with a Jew from the Jewish Scriptures and showing that the prophecies about Christ fit Jesus, although the other, in the person of the Jew, stands against the argument not ignobly or unfittingly.

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Source
Koetschau 1:325 · Paul Koetschau, ed., Origenes Werke 1–2: Gegen Celsus, GCS 2–3 (Leipzig: Hinrichs, 1899) · Greek text: P. Koetschau, Origenes Werke 1–2 (GCS 2–3, 1899), digitized by the Perseus Digital Library and published by the First Thousand Years of Greek project (Open Greek and Latin), CC BY-SA 4.0
Text
As printed in Koetschau, GCS 2–3. Manuscript variants and the editor's apparatus are not reproduced; no textual problem is noted in this passage.
Translation
Claude translation (claude-opus-5-5), 2026-09-27 · Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Koetschau, GCS 2–3; made independently of existing English translations.
Compare
Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 4 (1885) (an older public-domain English translation, whole volume at CCEL; checked against ours only after ours was made)
Extrabiblical texts
  • Plato, Tim. 41a–d (Plato (works)) · echo, medium confidence
  • Aristo of Pella, Jas. Pap. (Aristo of Pella, Dispute of Jason and Papiscus) · allusion, high confidence
Topics
Christology, Scripture and canon

Notes

Translation notes

  • The Dispute of Jason and Papiscus, attributed to Aristo of Pella (2nd century), is lost. Celsus's view of the “immortal works of God” and “mortal things” made by them echoes Plato, Timaeus 41a–d.

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Origen, Cels. 4.52 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/4/52/).

Plain text
Origen, Cels. 4.52 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/4/52/).

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