Against Celsus 8.45

Summary: Celsus lists the benefits and punishments said to come from pagan oracles and shrines; Origen asks why these should be believed and the biblical miracles called myths, when even Greek philosophers doubted the oracles.

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Greek text · Koetschau 2:259–261

Ἴδωμεν δὲ καὶ τὰ ἑξῆς οὕτως ἔχοντα· τί δεῖ καταλέγειν ὅσα ἐκ χρηστηρίων τοῦτο μὲν προφῆται καὶ προφήτιδες τοῦτο δὲ ἄλλοι κάτοχοι καὶ ἄνδρες καὶ γυναῖκες ἐνθέῳ φωνῇ προεῖπον; ὅσα δὲ ἐξ ἀδύτων αὐτῶν ἠκούσθησαν θαυμάσια; ὅσα δὲ ἐξ ἱερείων καὶ θυμάτων τοῖς χρωμένοις ἐδηλώθη, ὅσα δʼ ἐξ ἄλλων τεραστίων συμβόλων; τοῖς δʼ ἐναργῆ παρέστη φάσματα. μεστὸς τούτων ὁ πᾶς ἐστι βίος. πόσαι μὲν πόλεις ἐκ χρηστηρίων ὠρθώθησαν καὶ νόσους ἀπέθεντο καὶ λιμοὺς, πόσαι δʼ ἀμελήσασαι τούτων ἢ ἐκλαθόμεναι κακῶς ἐφθάρησαν; πόσαι δʼ εἰς ἀποικίαν ἐστάλησαν καὶ μετελθοῦσαι τὰ προσταχθέντα εὐδαιμόνησαν; πόσοι δυνάσται πόσοι δʼ ἰδιῶται παρὰ τοῦτο ἄμεινον ἢ χεῖρον ἀπήλλαξαν; πόσοι μὲν ἀπαιδίας δυσφοροῦντες ὧν ἐδεήθησαν σχόντες [πόσοι] δαιμόνων μῆνιν διέφυγον; πόσοι σωμάτων πηρώσεις ἰάθησαν; πόσοι δʼ αὖ πρὸς τοῖς ἱεροῖς ὑβρίσαντες αὐτίκα ἑάλωσαν, οἱ μὲν ἔκφρονες αὐτοῦ ταύτῃ κρατηθέντες οἱ δὲ καὶ ἐξαγγείλαντες (ἃ) ἔδρασαν οἱ δὲ σφᾶς αὐτοὺς διειργασμένοι οἱ δὲ νόσοις ἀνηκέστοις ἐνδεθέντες; ἤδη δὲ καὶ ἐξ αὐτῶν ἀδύτων φωνὴ βαρεῖα καθεῖλέν τινας. καὶ οὐκ οἶδʼ ὅπως ταῦτα ὡς ἐναργῆ ὁ Κέλσος προφέρεται καὶ τὰ παρʼ ἡμῖν ἀναγεγραμμένα τεράστια. εἴτʼ Ἰουδαϊκὰ εἴτε καὶ περὶ τοῦ Ἰησοῦ καὶ τῶν μαθητῶν αὐτοῦ, μύθους εἶναι νενόμικε. τί γὰρ οὐχὶ τὰ μὲν ἡμέτερά ἐστιν ἀληθῆ, ἃ (δὲ) λέγει Κέλσος ἀναπλάσματα μυθικά; οἷς οὐδʼ Ἑλλήνων φιλόσοφοι αἱρέσεις πεπιστεύκασιν, ὥσπερ ἡ Δημοκρίτου καὶ ἡ Ἐπικούρου καὶ ἡ Ἀριστοτέλους, τάχα ἂν πεπιστευκυῖαι διὰ τὴν ἐνάργειαν τοῖς ἡμετέροις, εἰ παρατετεύχεισαν Μωϋσεῖ ἤ τινι τῶν τὰ παράδοξα ποιησάντων προφητῶν ἢ καὶ αὐτῷ τῷ Ἰησοῦ.

English · Claude translation

Let us see also what follows, which runs thus: “Why need I list all that has been foretold, from oracles, by prophets and prophetesses, and by other men and women possessed, with inspired voice? And all the wonderful things heard from the inner shrines themselves? And all that has been revealed to those who consult them from victims and sacrifices, and all from other marvellous signs? To some, clear apparitions have appeared. All of life is full of these things. How many cities have been raised up by oracles and rid of plagues and famines, and how many, neglecting or forgetting them, have been miserably destroyed? How many have been sent out to found colonies and, following what was commanded, have prospered? How many rulers, how many private persons, have fared better or worse because of this? How many, distressed at childlessness, have obtained what they asked for and escaped the wrath of demons? How many have been healed of bodily maladies? And how many, on the other hand, having committed outrage at the temples, have been caught at once, some seized with madness on the spot, others confessing what they had done, others having killed themselves, others bound by incurable diseases? And already a terrible voice from the inner shrines themselves has struck some down.” I do not know how Celsus puts forward these things as clearly evident, while he has thought the marvels recorded among us, whether Jewish or concerning Jesus and his disciples, to be myths. Why are not ours true, and what Celsus speaks of mythical fictions? Not even the philosophical schools of the Greeks have believed in them, such as those of Democritus, Epicurus, and Aristotle; and they would perhaps have believed ours because of their evidence, if they had met Moses or one of the prophets who did marvellous things, or Jesus himself.

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Source
Koetschau 2:259–261 · Paul Koetschau, ed., Origenes Werke 1–2: Gegen Celsus, GCS 2–3 (Leipzig: Hinrichs, 1899) · Greek text: P. Koetschau, Origenes Werke 1–2 (GCS 2–3, 1899), digitized by the Perseus Digital Library and published by the First Thousand Years of Greek project (Open Greek and Latin), CC BY-SA 4.0
Text
As printed in Koetschau, GCS 2–3. Manuscript variants and the editor's apparatus are not reproduced; the problem in this passage is discussed in the notes.
Translation
Claude translation (claude-opus-5-5), 2026-09-27 · Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Koetschau, GCS 2–3; made independently of existing English translations.
Compare
Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 4 (1885) (an older public-domain English translation, whole volume at CCEL; checked against ours only after ours was made)
Topics
Scripture and canon

Notes

Translation notes

  • The editor deletes a second “how many” (πόσοι).

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Origen, Cels. 8.45 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/8/45/).

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Origen, Cels. 8.45 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/8/45/).

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